Illegal Kick Options?

[rdfox]

NFHS.

On a field goal attempt (4th and 3), snapped from R's 13 with the holder on the 20, the snap is muffed. The ball is falling off the tee when the kicker does kick it through the uprights.

Is this an illegal kick, and, if so, what are the penalty options given to R?

What if the ball did not go through the uprights, but instead bounced into the end zone and K2 recovered in R's endzone? Is the result of the play a TD, for penalty admin purposes? If a whistle sounds when the illegally kicked ball crossed the goal line, would this be an inadvertent whistle, and if so, what options would you give K?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by rdfox
NFHS.

On a field goal attempt (4th and 3), snapped from R's 13 with the holder on the 20, the snap is muffed. The ball is falling off the tee when the kicker does kick it through the uprights.

Is this an illegal kick, and, if so, what are the penalty options given to R?

What if the ball did not go through the uprights, but instead bounced into the end zone and K2 recovered in R's endzone? Is the result of the play a TD, for penalty admin purposes? If a whistle sounds when the illegally kicked ball crossed the goal line, would this be an inadvertent whistle, and if so, what options would you give K?

Sounds like a legal fieldgo, chaulk up the points.

If the kick enters the endzone we have a touchback, anytime a kick enters R's endzone it is automatically a touchback.

[jack015]

On a field goal or try, the ball must be controlled by a team mate of the kicker or drop kicked. Since the ball is falling off the tee, it is an illegal kick. Treat it as a fumble.

If it goes into and out of the EZ, R has the choice of the results of the play, TB, or penalize K from the previous spot 15 yards and replay 4th down.

If ball enters the EZ and is recovered by R, they can down it for a TB or run it out. They still have the option of the results of the play or penalize K and replay the down.

If K recovers in the EZ, it is a TD until R accepts the penalty for the illegal kick.

[CBrockett]

I got all that.

But I think the most important one is, Do the R's have the option of taking the touchback if the ball crosses through the uprights on an illegal kick?

Don't have the book, or really can't fall back on a rule, but I would say whether the ball crosses through the uprights is superfulous. I think R's have the option of result of the play (touchback) either way!

My only bases is the ball i streated as a fumble on all illegal kicks.

What have you got to day about that?

[cmathews]

Guys,
Don't go looking for trouble...I am with Snake Eyes on this... call it a field goal or a touchback and go about your business...the intent of the rule is to keep someone from kicking a loose ball or punt through the uprights for 3 pts. It isn't to penalize the kicking team who is muffing the ball. The fact that it is on the tee means they controlled it somewhat so make it what it is...a field goal...at least in my game thats what we will have... remember good officials aren't judged on the calls they make they are judged on the calls they don't make...

I agree that if they can kick it off the tee and get it between the uprights, it's a field goal. Do we check if the ball is actually straight up on a drop kick before we determine if they can kick it? No, so same line of reasoning.

[jack015]

Originally posted by cmathews
Guys,
Don't go looking for trouble...I am with Snake Eyes on this... call it a field goal or a touchback and go about your business...the intent of the rule is to keep someone from kicking a loose ball or punt through the uprights for 3 pts. It isn't to penalize the kicking team who is muffing the ball. The fact that it is on the tee means they controlled it somewhat so make it what it is...a field goal...at least in my game thats what we will have... remember good officials aren't judged on the calls they make they are judged on the calls they don't make...

I agree 100%. My reply was making the assumption thet the covering official has judged that K kicked a loose ball. To me, if the holder is touching the ball anywhere, anyway, even if it is not on the tee (which is not required), he is controlling it. The rules do not specify how much control he is required to have.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by rdfox
NFHS.

On a field goal attempt (4th and 3), snapped from R's 13 with the holder on the 20, the snap is muffed. The ball is falling off the tee when the kicker does kick it through the uprights.

Is this an illegal kick, and, if so, what are the penalty options given to R?

What if the ball did not go through the uprights, but instead bounced into the end zone and K2 recovered in R's endzone? Is the result of the play a TD, for penalty admin purposes? If a whistle sounds when the illegally kicked ball crossed the goal line, would this be an inadvertent whistle, and if so, what options would you give K?

Legal attempt.

If good, score 3 points.

Missed FGA are treated as punts. If K2 is onside, score a TD. If K2 was offside and no R players are within 5 yards of the ball, score a TD. If K2 was offside and there were R players within 5 yards of the ball, we have a restraining zone foul, award R the ball at the 15, or the 25 for OUA.