Odd penalty sequence question

[HLin NC]

Its all been explained. If you don't understand then there isn't much more that can be done.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Its all been explained. If you don't understand then there isn't much more that can be done.

Something can be done. You can put together the exact statements you mean apply to the exact facts.

So what if your "jurisdiction" extends until midnight? You're a game official, so you can't administer penalties that are not part of the game. You can be a witness for any number of actions, but actions that occur after the game ends are not part of the game.

And yes, that makes a difference. The actions that occurred after the game should be judged by the same standards as if any other students from either of those schools walked into the playing area and did them, not by the standards you would apply to players, substitutes, and other participants.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Something can be done. You can put together the exact statements you mean apply to the exact facts.



So what if your "jurisdiction" extends until midnight? You're a game official, so you can't administer penalties that are not part of the game. You can be a witness for any number of actions, but actions that occur after the game ends are not part of the game.



And yes, that makes a difference. The actions that occurred after the game should be judged by the same standards as if any other students from either of those schools walked into the playing area and did them, not by the standards you would apply to players, substitutes, and other participants.

You can eject team members and/or coaches, which carry subsequent administrative penalties.


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[HLin NC]

And you can stop being purposely obtuse.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Rich

You can eject team members and/or coaches, which carry subsequent administrative penalties.

You can't eject them from the game. The game is history. Fed rules say:

The game officials maintain administrative responsibilities for the contest through the completion of any required reports or correspondence in response to any action occurring while the officials have jurisdiction. State Associations may intercede in the event of unusual incidents after the officials have signaled the end of the game

All the rules about unsportsmanlike conduct refer to the actions of players and certain categories of nonplayers during games. After the game, there's no such thing as unsportsmanlike conduct, only "unusual incidents". An action which would be unsportsmanlike conduct may or may not be an "unusual incident" after a game, and vice versa.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

You can't eject them from the game. The game is history. Fed rules say:

All the rules about unsportsmanlike conduct refer to the actions of players and certain categories of nonplayers during games. After the game, there's no such thing as unsportsmanlike conduct, only "unusual incidents". An action which would be unsportsmanlike conduct may or may not be an "unusual incident" after a game, and vice versa.

Trust me when I say that state associations are not going to try to split that infinitive. A post-game ejection will carry the same penalties.



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[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Something can be done. You can put together the exact statements you mean apply to the exact facts.

So what if your "jurisdiction" extends until midnight? You're a game official, so you can't administer penalties that are not part of the game. You can be a witness for any number of actions, but actions that occur after the game ends are not part of the game.

And yes, that makes a difference. The actions that occurred after the game should be judged by the same standards as if any other students from either of those schools walked into the playing area and did them, not by the standards you would apply to players, substitutes, and other participants.

I can tell you that effective in 2019, you can (and should) eject someone if the circumstances warrant that ejection up until the point you leave the property at which the contest is conduct (yes, this means if a coach does something like flipping you the bird as you are in the turn lane pulling out of the school parking lot, you are supposed to eject them. )

For those that don't think I am correct, this is the exact working from from the MHSAA's officials guidebook. Important parts in bold.

"When a student or coach commits an ejectable offense against an official following the conclusion of the contest, but before the
officials have left the facility and/or grounds, an official may disqualify the student or coach as though it had occurred during the
contest.

NOTE: This does not apply to situations where an official from an earlier contest remains at the facility as a spectator of a later"

In the assigners meeting last year, it was made very clear what the definition of facility / grounds was, the school or facility property of the contest location, including the parking lot.

With that said, to my knowledge no ejections were issued for incidents outside the actually playing facility. Personally, the only way I would be issuing an ejection in the parking lot is if it rose the the level of requiring me to contact facility security or law enforcement for my own protection or the protection of my officiating crew.


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