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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 11:19pm
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Ten seconds left in the game. Team A has no time outs left. A1's fairly long pass is complete downfield to A88 who tries to run out-of-bounds. He is about to get tackled inbounds, so he tosses the ball backwards out-of-bounds, losing maybe a yard or two, but stopping the clock.
I've got this as legal under Federation rules. I would think coaches would actually design plays with this in mind. Any thoughts? 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 11:24pm
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I think there's a lot of risk involved in the play. That's probably why you don't see it. Tell a HS player to toss the ball backwards OOB may be more risk than most coaches are willing to take.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 01:29am
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Wow! I had never thought of such an ingenious idea before. LOL! I like that, but it does have an element of risk to it.
Something to think about in the interpretation of the rules concerning a backward pass out of bounds is how does it play into the delay of game rules? Hmm...
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 07:41am
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How about this one?
A ball on their own 20 with only seconds left down by one point. QB drops back and completes a pass to a receiver that runs all the way down to B's 10 yard line. He realizes he's not going to score so he throws the ball forward to a blocker who takes the ball into the endzone. Illegal forward pass. Decline the penalty and A has a touchdown. Accept the penalty and A will get an untimed down they can use to leisurely kick a game winning field goal. Anything to stop this? I realize this would be pretty hard to pull off. Rich
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 08:09am
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>>A ball on their own 20 with only seconds left down by one point. QB drops back and completes a pass to a receiver that runs all the way down to B's 10 yard line. He realizes he's not going to score so he throws the ball forward to a blocker who takes the ball into the endzone.<<
If the illegal pass is incomplete and the penalty is declined, I think you have to start the clock on the ready. Otherwise, you allow the offense to gain an advantage by committing an illegal act.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 09:07am
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 09:44am
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Yes we can...check out Case 3.6.3 Situation A. If an incomplete illegal forward pass was made for the purpose of conserving time, the referee is authorized to start the clock on the ready. I again go back to my original post...a deliberately incomplete backward pass is not illegal and thus can be used to stop the clock.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 10:41am
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The original play is not against the rules. Why ask it twice?
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 12:06pm
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Mr. RDfox's reference to CB 3.6.3.A brings out one thing that bugs me with NF rules.
They are quite clear in 3-4-3-e that the clock is to start on the snap when a legal or illegal FP is incomplete but yet in 3-6-3 several pages later, they give us what is an "exception" to that rule. What is so hard about putting a pointer to that exception right into 3-4-3? Are they that pigheaded to use the words "exception" in the rules? (my answer is yes they are) So, if team-A uses an illegal forward pass to kill the clock because the runner wasn't able to make it into the EZ, then by all means the clock should be started on RFP. Even the NCAA code agrees with this. However, if it were a backward pass OOB, then I and others are saying to start the clock on the snap as does a play in the FRD manual. NF rule 3-6-3 doesn't kick in because as currently written, it is not illegal to toss a pass backwards (and OOB). Not so for NCAA, but that's not the question.
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Sat Oct 18, 2003, 02:25am
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