Double Scrimmage Kick

[Rich]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

And we wonder why there's a official shortage?

Cause too many of them are too lazy to pick up a rules book?


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[asdf]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

No doubt a Legend in your on mind!

You threw a flag.....

When an official throws a flag, it's because he/she detected a violation of a rule....

You were asked what rule was violated.....

You got your feelings hurt.....


When you delete your account, please make sure that you do the same with your officiating license.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

Good advice. Many I know have surrender theirs simply because of dealing with crap and egos such as many on this board. Good Luck guys. Wish U well.

Egos.....Always the crutch for guys who don't open the rule book on their own.

If the head coach asked you that same question after you ruled incorrectly, your answer would have been..... ??

[BIG UMP]

We're also assuming everyone on here is an official and not a fan with a question or a complaint.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BIG UMP

We're also assuming everyone on here is an official and not a fan with a question or a complaint.

Well, he kind of implied that he was an official. And if you are not an official, make yourself known. It is pretty obvious that these are officials talking if you spend any time on this site.

Peace

[ajmc]

A logical reference to understand and address this question seems like NFHS 2-24, Articles 3 through 9, which define allowed(legal) kicks, and what constitutes an "Illegal" kick (Art 9).
What was described does NOT seem to fit Articles 6, 7 or 8 and therefore would fall under Article 9. NFHS 6-2-1 and 9-7-1 add clarification (IF clarification is what is actually being sought)

[Texas Aggie]

NCAA: legal play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

Good advice. Many I know have surrender theirs simply because of dealing with crap and egos such as many on this board. Good Luck guys. Wish U well.

Again, it is not ego to ask you a question of what rule was violated. It is not ego to ask you to look up in the rulebook and tell us what you have.

I was at a meeting for another sport today and that was exactly what was asked of the supervisor of everyone in the room to explain their answer.

What the hell are you going to do when coaches start asking you the very same thing and they know this is not illegal? Is their ego out of control too?

Peace

[bob jenkins]

There's always a tension on these boards between "giving a man a fish" and "teaching a man to fish."

Here, the latter was chosen; on another recent thread (first and 10 or first and 16 from the 16 yard line) the former was chosen.

It's hard to tell which will be used (and some might use one method; while someone else chooses the other on the same thread), but wither way, the person asking the question should not bite the hand that feeds him.

Having said that, this non-official asks, does it matter whether the blocker in the OP was behind or in advance of the LOS? I think so, but I don't know for certain (and, probably 99% of the time, it's going to be behind in cay event).

[Middleman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Having said that, this non-official asks, does it matter whether the blocker in the OP was behind or in advance of the LOS? I think so, but I don't know for certain (and, probably 99% of the time, it's going to be behind in cay event).

Bob, it does matter (but it would be the "expanded neutral zone" not the LOS). Touching of a kick by K in or behind the expanded neutral zone is ignored. Touching by K beyond the expanded neutral zone may be "first touching" with many possible results, but usually results in R getting the ball.

The kicking game can be full of surprises!

[HLin NC]

Since we are not all in a room together to discern each other's facial features and body language, context is difficult in this forum.

Over the years of participating in these on-line forums, I have found it wise to refer to our resources such as rule and case books and Reddings guide prior to responding. These boards have been a great tool to increase learning.

However, it is prudent to be able to support your answers or theories here, much like a college level class or discussion group. Being encouraged to "look it up" helps make you a better official by forcing you to familiarize yourself with the tools that you have available. If you genuinely are confused or clueless on where to find the answer, its best to just be up front about it. There are some who are merely lazy on doing research and want a quick answer.

There can be a line between being a tough instructor and being an a-hole and sometimes personalities get in the way but a tougher mindset is required to survive in this avocation. The guy that was my primary trainer back when I started was tough on me at times but I feel that it was beneficial to me .