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sorrydog Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:54am

Double Scrimmage Kick
 
Had this yesterday in JV game: Punter kicks the ball right into the butt of one of his blockers. Ball shanks off his rear, bounces on the ground and right back to the punter who kicks it again. We threw a flag for Illegal kick. Never seen if before? Did we make the correct call?

Rich Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025079)
Had this yesterday in JV game: Punter kicks the ball right into the butt of one of his blockers. Ball shanks off his rear, bounces on the ground and right back to the punter who kicks it again. We threw a flag for Illegal kick. Never seen if before? Did we make the correct call?



No.


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sorrydog Fri Oct 05, 2018 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1025080)
No.


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Ok. U said no. Whats the correct call?

Rich Fri Oct 05, 2018 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025081)
Ok. U said no. Whats the correct call?

Why can't he kick the ball again? What rule disallows it?

ilyazhito Fri Oct 05, 2018 02:36pm

Touching in the neutral zone is ignored, so A has the option and ability to advance the ball to the line to gain, or the option to kick again. This means that the play starts with a clean slate after the ball hit the blocker's butt, and thus the second scrimmage kick is legal.

SC Official Fri Oct 05, 2018 02:45pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025081)
Ok. U said no. Whats the correct call?

I hate to be "that guy," but can't you look it up?

Rich Fri Oct 05, 2018 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1025084)
I hate to be "that guy," but can't you look it up?



That was the entire point of my post. Why does he think it's a foul for an illegal kick? What rule supports that call?


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CT1 Sat Oct 06, 2018 09:22am

(NFHS) As long as the ball is recovered behind the NZ, K can do anything they could do at the start of the play: run, pass or kick.

sorrydog Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:05am

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 1025093)
(NFHS) As long as the ball is recovered behind the NZ, K can do anything they could do at the start of the play: run, pass or kick.

Thanks.

Rich Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:35am

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025090)
Thank you! Over the years, we could post stuff on this site and get a answer without others being a smart-ass. Now looks like a few have now joined and instead of answering with a rule or knowledge, they want to make fun and criticize the poster. And "YES" I know how to look-up the rule. In the past, most of us post stuff like this just to get others to think about the play. If this is the new trend of making fun of officials that post stuff instead of keeping it professional, I'll delete my account and move on.



We're not making fun. We're just expecting that you tell us what rule you think applies, is all.


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JRutledge Sat Oct 06, 2018 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025090)
Thank you! Over the years, we could post stuff on this site and get a answer without others being a smart-ass. Now looks like a few have now joined and instead of answering with a rule or knowledge, they want to make fun and criticize the poster. And "YES" I know how to look-up the rule. In the past, most of us post stuff like this just to get others to think about the play. If this is the new trend of making fun of officials that post stuff instead of keeping it professional, I'll delete my account and move on.

I teach classes, give presentations, or answer many rules questions. I do not think it is being a smart ass at all to ask you or anyone that asks a question to tell us why something is illegal or legal in the rulebook, based on a question. I am going to assume that you would be asking for some reason. You are asking because you have doubt or you are asking because someone told you otherwise. I do not think it is all unfair to ask you to show your work so to speak. At least for me, when someone just gives me the answer, I do not remember it. When I look it up or have to explain why I feel a certain way, I tend to learn the situation better.

I think the newer trend is officials are in their feelings when you do not hold their hand on everything. When I was coming up we would be asked many questions when we asked a rules question or made a rules assumption. But we are in a new era. :rolleyes:

Peace

Rich Sat Oct 06, 2018 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025102)
And we wonder why there's a official shortage?:mad:



Cause too many of them are too lazy to pick up a rules book?


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JRutledge Sat Oct 06, 2018 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025102)
And we wonder why there's a official shortage?:mad:

If this is the reason, then what are they going to do when a coach is on them about something more contentious? Seriously, the coach I had last night was way more hostile than anything said here to you. Again, but we are in a different era.

You are more worried about someone asking you a question than why the question was asked in the first place. IJS.

Peace

asdf Sun Oct 07, 2018 08:32am

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025104)
No doubt a Legend in your on mind!:D

You threw a flag.....

When an official throws a flag, it's because he/she detected a violation of a rule....

You were asked what rule was violated.....

You got your feelings hurt.....


When you delete your account, please make sure that you do the same with your officiating license.

asdf Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:32am

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Originally Posted by sorrydog (Post 1025109)
Good advice. Many I know have surrender theirs simply because of dealing with crap and egos such as many on this board. Good Luck guys. Wish U well.:)

Egos.....Always the crutch for guys who don't open the rule book on their own.

If the head coach asked you that same question after you ruled incorrectly, your answer would have been..... ??


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