Breaking through rule misconceptions

[BktBallRef]

What do you do when you just can't get people to see it? They're blinded by misconception, what they think the rule should be, not what the rule actually is.

For example (NFHS Rules):

B12 intercepts a pass in the end zone, tries to run it out but is tackled in the end zone. During the return, B49 blocks A89 in the back, in the end zone.

Thee result is not a touchback and the penalty is not enforced from the 20. THe result of the play is a safety.

But people can't be two rules together and arrive at the proper ruling.

[VA Official]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What do you do when you just can't get people to see it? They're blinded by misconception, what they think the rule should be, not what the rule actually is.

For example (NFHS Rules):

B12 intercepts a pass in the end zone, tries to run it out but is tackled in the end zone. During the return, B49 blocks A89 in the back, in the end zone.

Thee result is not a touchback and the penalty is not enforced from the 20. THe result of the play is a safety.

But people can't be two rules together and arrive at the proper ruling.

I usually try to break it down to the simplest form for them. In this play, the basic spot is the 20. The foul occurred in the end zone, behind the basic spot, by the team in possession. Using all-but-one, this penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul, making it a safety.

[JRutledge]

Stop worrying about it. I can only control myself and my crew. I do not have time to worry about what others want to do or cannot see.

Peace

[Mbilica]

The result of the play, without the foul, is a touchback. Any foul by the team in possession that occurs in the team's end zone is governed by all but one enforcment. This is a foul by the offense! In the end zone.

10.4.4 Situation E is the closest I can find to a caseplay like this.

The relevant rule is 10-5-4

All but one penalty enforcement and Safety/Touchback are difficult concepts that require study. But, all officials must thoroughly understand them if they want to work football games.

See if a rule study group would work... you can't convince people if they arent willing to learn.


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[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by VA Official

I usually try to break it down to the simplest form for them. In this play, the basic spot is the 20. The foul occurred in the end zone, behind the basic spot, by the team in possession. Using all-but-one, this penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul, making it a safety.

Break it down as simply as possible but there's a stubbornness that exists when dealing with some that seems insurmountable.

[VA Official]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Break it down as simply as possible but there's a stubbornness that exists when dealing with some that seems insurmountable.

If that's the case and they're not willing to listen to reason, then JRut hit it right on the head.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by VA Official

If that's the case and they're not willing to listen to reason, then JRut hit it right on the head.

You are always going to have these discussions with people unwilling to learn in a forum like this or even in an association meeting. I stopped trying to convince certain people for some time now. It is a waste of energy and if they are not on my crew or officials I work with, basic stuff like this is not my concern anymore.

Peace

[ajmc]

Therein lies the difference between being ignorant, and stupid. Ignorance can be corrected and eliminated by simply providing the necessary additional information for clarification, and accepting it. Stupid is a whole different matter, and can last forever.