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BktBallRef Mon Aug 28, 2017 09:20pm

Breaking through rule misconceptions
 
What do you do when you just can't get people to see it? They're blinded by misconception, what they think the rule should be, not what the rule actually is.

For example (NFHS Rules):

B12 intercepts a pass in the end zone, tries to run it out but is tackled in the end zone. During the return, B49 blocks A89 in the back, in the end zone.

Thee result is not a touchback and the penalty is not enforced from the 20. THe result of the play is a safety.

But people can't be two rules together and arrive at the proper ruling. :confused:

VA Official Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 1008893)
What do you do when you just can't get people to see it? They're blinded by misconception, what they think the rule should be, not what the rule actually is.

For example (NFHS Rules):

B12 intercepts a pass in the end zone, tries to run it out but is tackled in the end zone. During the return, B49 blocks A89 in the back, in the end zone.

Thee result is not a touchback and the penalty is not enforced from the 20. THe result of the play is a safety.

But people can't be two rules together and arrive at the proper ruling. :confused:

I usually try to break it down to the simplest form for them. In this play, the basic spot is the 20. The foul occurred in the end zone, behind the basic spot, by the team in possession. Using all-but-one, this penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul, making it a safety.

JRutledge Tue Aug 29, 2017 05:02am

Stop worrying about it. I can only control myself and my crew. I do not have time to worry about what others want to do or cannot see.

Peace

Mbilica Tue Aug 29, 2017 05:52am

The result of the play, without the foul, is a touchback. Any foul by the team in possession that occurs in the team's end zone is governed by all but one enforcment. This is a foul by the offense! In the end zone.

10.4.4 Situation E is the closest I can find to a caseplay like this.

The relevant rule is 10-5-4

All but one penalty enforcement and Safety/Touchback are difficult concepts that require study. But, all officials must thoroughly understand them if they want to work football games.

See if a rule study group would work... you can't convince people if they arent willing to learn.


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BktBallRef Tue Aug 29, 2017 09:24am

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Originally Posted by VA Official (Post 1008897)
I usually try to break it down to the simplest form for them. In this play, the basic spot is the 20. The foul occurred in the end zone, behind the basic spot, by the team in possession. Using all-but-one, this penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul, making it a safety.

Break it down as simply as possible but there's a stubbornness that exists when dealing with some that seems insurmountable.

VA Official Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:36am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 1008902)
Break it down as simply as possible but there's a stubbornness that exists when dealing with some that seems insurmountable.

If that's the case and they're not willing to listen to reason, then JRut hit it right on the head.

JRutledge Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:30am

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Originally Posted by VA Official (Post 1008904)
If that's the case and they're not willing to listen to reason, then JRut hit it right on the head.

You are always going to have these discussions with people unwilling to learn in a forum like this or even in an association meeting. I stopped trying to convince certain people for some time now. It is a waste of energy and if they are not on my crew or officials I work with, basic stuff like this is not my concern anymore.

Peace

ajmc Tue Aug 29, 2017 01:18pm

Therein lies the difference between being ignorant, and stupid. Ignorance can be corrected and eliminated by simply providing the necessary additional information for clarification, and accepting it. Stupid is a whole different matter, and can last forever.


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