Illegal pick play?

[Mbilica]

If anything, this is a foul on the defense for initiating contact. Definitely not OPI. As for the earlier Clemson TD at the start of the 4th quarter, that was OPI.

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[9thIsleZebra]

What if then if the defender, upon contact by the offensive player, instead of engaging backed off after the initial contact? Would a flag be justified then?

In the photo posted by bigjohn, the DB's eyes appear to be focused on #13 and that makes me think he had no intention to engage the wide receiver.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by 9thIsleZebra

What if then if the defender, upon contact by the offensive player, instead of engaging backed off after the initial contact? Would a flag be justified then?

In the photo posted by bigjohn, the DB's eyes appear to be focused on #13 and that makes me think he had no intention to engage the wide receiver.

A picture may say 1000 words, but a video shows 1000 pictures. Watch this whole sequence ... this photo is misleading.

[bigjohn]

https://youtu.be/czDFgvjtt4I

Here is the video, I don't see A avoiding contact.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

https://youtu.be/czDFgvjtt4I

Here is the video, I don't see A avoiding contact.

He is not supposed to avoid contact. He is allowed to run his route. The defender bit on the route and engaged that player.

I work deep wing in college and if I see that, then I am not calling any foul on that if that is my key or my area. Because when you have players up on coverage, they often bite on moves and that was the reason the inside guy was up. It was the coverage as well. Sorry, I doubt we will ever see anyone complain about this play from the NCAA because they would have to advocate many more fouls. That is why many defenses call a zone coverage at that part of the field. You make the wrong move, you leave someone open. The defender took on the guy on the inside.

Peace

[Rich]

And I can say from my years as a college deep wing they don't advocate throwing a lot of marginal flags. When in doubt, the flag stays in the belt.

[bigjohn]

Illegal Contact and Pass Interference
ARTICLE 8. a. During a down in which a legal forward pass crosses the
neutral zone, illegal contact by Team A and Team B players is prohibited
from the time the ball is snapped until it is touched by any player or an
official (A.R. 7-3-8-II).
b. Offensive pass interference by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone
during a legal forward pass play in which a forward pass crosses the
neutral zone is contact that interferes with a Team B eligible player. It
is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents

[JRutledge]

You can post it in big letters all you like. You would never survive at the college level if that is what you would call.

BTW, what "category" do you put this in? If you do not know what I am talking about, then you do not anything about this application of the rule?

Peace

[bigjohn]

There are four classifications of OPI: 1) blocking downfield (or pick plays), 2) shoving or pushing off, 3) driving through a defender, and 4) the receiver turning into a defender.


http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers...g/hardcall.doc


I think it is pretty obvious the Offense initiated the contact. That is my opinion.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

There are four classifications of OPI: 1) blocking downfield (or pick plays), 2) shoving or pushing off, 3) driving through a defender, and 4) the receiver turning into a defender.


http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers...g/hardcall.doc


I think it is pretty obvious the Offense initiated the contact. That is my opinion.

You're entitled to be wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

There are four classifications of OPI: 1) blocking downfield (or pick plays), 2) shoving or pushing off, 3) driving through a defender, and 4) the receiver turning into a defender.


http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers...g/hardcall.doc

And he did none of those.

Offensive can run routes. They run routes by running from one position to another. If the defense goes with them, that is no them. There was no separation on the play or even any major push from the spot. The defender tried to take away the inside move (which many are taught to do) and never tried to go outside with the other receiver. Which this was likely a play designed by film study and figured the outside guy would bite on the play. He did and as an official, I need either separation or material contact to make that call, especially in this part of the field (notice I did not say game). The first play at the goal line was closer, but even then, the defender went with that guy as well. If he pushes off and gets separation, then maybe you have a flag. But that is very marginal. It was well executed and why there was no foul called either time if you ask me.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

the receiver turning into a defender.

I puzzled over that one until I realized it meant, "the receiver turning in to a defender".