More Ohio Micromanaging!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

A lot of good advice and practical applications . Don't know about "The
receiver must have the opportunity to perform a second act (i.e. dive to pylon, possess & turn up field in order to rule catch.

Sounds like a "bridge too far" and is a lot closer to NFL than NFHS.

You want consistency don't you? And every thing from the NFL is not foreign to the high school level.

Peace

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You want consistency don't you? And every thing from the NFL is not foreign to the high school level. Peace

There's no reasonable expectation of consistency between NFL and NFHS. NFL is game played by exceptional adults designed to generate huge sums of money, NFHS is an interscholastic sporting event played by teenagers.

NFL players ROUTINELY perform physical acts teenagers usually only fantasize about. The two games are on completely different levels, for completely different purposes (each of which work very well on their own LEVEL).

Consistency is a laudable and achievable objective, within a game, maybe within a season at the same level. EXPECTING it on EVERYTHING between different levels is simply an impossible overreach.

As levels rise, so do individual skills and rules, at times, need to adjust to keep pace with higher skills.

[bigjohn]

Too bad you can't fine coaches who let players violate uniform rules like the players get fined in the NFL!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

There's no reasonable expectation of consistency between NFL and NFHS. NFL is game played by exceptional adults designed to generate huge sums of money, NFHS is an interscholastic sporting event played by teenagers.

NFL players ROUTINELY perform physical acts teenagers usually only fantasize about. The two games are on completely different levels, for completely different purposes (each of which work very well on their own LEVEL).

Consistency is a laudable and achievable objective, within a game, maybe within a season at the same level. EXPECTING it on EVERYTHING between different levels is simply an impossible overreach.

As levels rise, so do individual skills and rules, at times, need to adjust to keep pace with higher skills.

Individual skill has nothing to do with ruling on a catch. We expect similar things at all levels for a holding to be called or a passing interference to called. I really do not understand why people think a player cannot expect them to control the ball similarly as someone at the higher levels? Heck, if you do not have the ball at the end of the catch anyway, I am supposed to use some artificial standard as to when you had the ball and I have no replay to confirm or deny such a call?

Actually, I think it is easier to rule on catches because the players are a little slower, but I still use the same basic standards before I rule a catch. I don't need state guidelines to make those rulings either.

Peace

[Welpe]

You see micromanaging, I see philosophies to ensure more consistent officiating.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You see micromanaging, I see philosophies to ensure more consistent officiating.

I have been critical of the Gold Book in the past and the whole "contenders/pretenders" nonsense, but this is a great document I will probably use myself in an association meeting.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ajmc

A lot of good advice and practical applications . Don't know about "The
receiver must have the opportunity to perform a second act (i.e. dive to pylon, possess & turn up field in order to rule catch.

Sounds like a "bridge too far" and is a lot closer to NFL than NFHS.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You want consistency don't you? And every thing from the NFL is not foreign to the high school level.

Peace

I do not officiate football (but I did officiate H.S. futbol from 1993 to 2005, ). But my best officiating friend in Ohio is a long time OhioHSAA football official and football rules interpreter. And this is straight from him: The Director of Officials Development for Football is a retired NFL official and the OhioHSAA does not use NFHS Football Mechanics and instead has written its own officials manual.

MTD, Sr.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

instead has written its own officials manual.

MTD, Sr.

Should read "instead has written HIS own officials manual"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by asdf

Should read "instead has written HIS own officials manual"

The pronoun is referring to the OHSAA, not to the Director of Officiating. So "its" is correct.

It also appears to be a quote, so it's correct to use any improper grammar within the quote, although it should be followed by [sic], of course.

[scrounge]

I think this was a very good addition to what I think is a fantastic mechanics manual, which has improved over the years every single year. Sure, there are points here and there I disagree with, but it has been an enormous benefit in standardizing and improving mechanics across the board, especially in a state that had such different operating cultures before this (three large and different metro areas, another style in NW Ohio, a REALLY different style in the rural SE area, etc).

I'm filling in for a crew as LJ in week one in what was an open date for our regular crew. I'm normally a BJ but have done significant time at wing, so no big deal. With this, I just have to study the LJ mechanics and I don't have to worry about how this particular crew - whom I've never worked with - does pre-snap checks or how they signal or where to be, etc. I *know* because they use the same standard operating procedures. We can use our pre-game on other things instead of spending an hour on the basics. What some call 'micro-managing' I call having a standard, uniform procedure to create a platform for common understanding and continuous improvement. Just like when I was in the Army and we had detailed procedures just like this - I didn't have to wonder which pocket ammo vs med equipment was in on someone else, I knew because we specified it. I didn't have to tell the 1st tank driver he had the job of outpost watch when we came to a long stop, he knew and he knew what to do and what to take, etc.

Bigjohn, I don't know if you're in Ohio and conducting a passive-aggressive whining campaign or outside and just have a gold book fetish, but I find this 'drive-by' posting of what I think is an excellent article of tools and philosophies with a pejorative title and no specific criticisms to be kind of pathetic.

And by the way, if you noticed the footnote, most of the content in that article was borrowed - with permission - from Hawaii.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The pronoun is referring to the OHSAA, not to the Director of Officiating. So "its" is correct.

It also appears to be a quote, so it's correct to use any improper grammar within the quote, although it should be followed by [sic], of course.

Considering the person involved, HIS is the correct pronoun.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by asdf

Considering the person involved, HIS is the correct pronoun.

asdf:

It is obvious that you do not officiate in Ohio because the OhioHSAA has also written its own Two-, Three-, and Four-Person Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual to replace the NFHS Baseball Umpiring Mechanics and the OhioHSAA Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual was not written by the OhioHSAA Director of Development for Baseball Umpiring but was a joint effort by a number of LUA Interpreters. The OhioHSAA Football Officiating Mechanics Manual was written in the same manner, so please to do not make statements that have no basis in fact.

MTD, Sr.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

asdf:

It is obvious that you do not officiate in Ohio because the OhioHSAA has also written its own Two-, Three-, and Four-Person Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual to replace the NFHS Baseball Umpiring Mechanics and the OhioHSAA Baseball Umpiring Mechanics Manual was not written by the OhioHSAA Director of Development for Baseball Umpiring but was a joint effort by a number of LUA Interpreters. The OhioHSAA Football Officiating Mechanics Manual was written in the same manner, so please to do not make statements that have no basis in fact.

MTD, Sr.

MTD,

First, Don't assume. It only makes one look silly.

Next, I know plenty about the Gold Book and how the Baseball manual came to be.

LUAs had little input on the baseball side and the impetus was the college faction stepping forward and endorsed by the DOD.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not officiate football (but I did officiate H.S. futbol from 1993 to 2005, ). But my best officiating friend in Ohio is a long time OhioHSAA football official and football rules interpreter. And this is straight from him: The Director of Officials Development for Football is a retired NFL official and the OhioHSAA does not use NFHS Football Mechanics and instead has written its own officials manual.

MTD, Sr.

A lot of states to my understanding do not use the NF Mechanics books as it is outdated and has not evolved. It is actually one of the worst mechanics books I can remember out of all the other books. Illinois for example does not use the NF book for a similar reason.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A lot of states to my understanding do not use the NF Mechanics books as it is outdated and has not evolved. It is actually one of the worst mechanics books I can remember out of all the other books. Illinois for example does not use the NF book for a similar reason.

Peace

For football, I'm not sure what's all that outdated in the NFHS manual.

The one thing Ohio does that I'm simply not fond of is put the R on the wide side of the field. So the R flip-flops sides during a series depending on where the ball is spotted?

Not. A. Fan.