NFHS: When Does a Kick Try End?

[HLin NC]

Adding gravy over the frosting

Ewwww. Lemme guess, you put slaw on your BBQ sammich too?

[PocketSidewalk]

Thanks for all the replies. It's nice to feel vindicated (if that's the correct word). I may never work with this white hat again, and if I did I wouldn't bring this matter up. I just wanted some reassurance from fellow football officials that I was interpreting that rule correctly.

[PocketSidewalk]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Ewwww. Lemme guess, you put slaw on your BBQ sammich too?

As a fellow zebra from NC, I've gotta say, I luuuuv me some slaw on my BBQ sammiches!


"Adding gravy over the frosting"...can't say I've heard that one before, but it does provoke some pretty gross images.

[Robert Goodman]

When the try was made a scrimmage play (it wasn't always), the intention was that it'd be just that: a single try (attempt) to score. Once a kick was made, no other attempt to score was allowed. So if you're convinced no wind powerful enough to push that sucker over the bar is coming, the ball's dead.

[CT1]

[QUOTE=PocketSidewalk;968004 I may never work with this white hat again, and if I did I wouldn't bring this matter up.[/QUOTE]

I would try to (nicely) let the WH know about the case play, so he can learn from this.

[MD Longhorn]

That whitehat needs to only work Fridays, or learn the difference between Saturday/Sunday rules and Friday rules.

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

That whitehat needs to only work Fridays, or learn the difference between Saturday/Sunday rules and Friday rules.

Agreed. One of the first things I learned in sub-HS ball was that a kicked try should be blown dead the moment a kick was made. That is because in HS ball, the only thing that can happen once a kick is made is that the kick either scores or doesn't. If A or B recovers, the ball cannot be advanced play is dead. If the ball falls onto the field or OOB or somewhere else without meeting the requirements of a score, it's a missed attempt and cannot be advanced. If the ball is a scored attempt, it cannot be advanced. So in all cases, once the ball is kicked on a try, that's the last thing that can happen to it. It takes no effort to watch a try sail through or past the goalposts, and (at least in Vegas) it was considered safer to end action as soon as possible than to allow a play that could do nothing to develop.

Might have something to do with the fact that the officials in Vegas thought that SoCal coaches are considered unhinged lunatics who will look for any opportunity to start a fight. They're probably right.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jchamp

Agreed. One of the first things I learned in sub-HS ball was that a kicked try should be blown dead the moment a kick was made. That is because in HS ball, the only thing that can happen once a kick is made is that the kick either scores or doesn't. If A or B recovers, the ball cannot be advanced play is dead. If the ball falls onto the field or OOB or somewhere else without meeting the requirements of a score, it's a missed attempt and cannot be advanced. If the ball is a scored attempt, it cannot be advanced. So in all cases, once the ball is kicked on a try, that's the last thing that can happen to it. It takes no effort to watch a try sail through or past the goalposts, and (at least in Vegas) it was considered safer to end action as soon as possible than to allow a play that could do nothing to develop.

ISTR this as common practice everywhere until NCAA legalized 2-way scoring. There's only 1 case in which I can see this making a difference, and that's where a B player in the end zone hears it & foregoes a chance to goaltend on a kick that's soft & drops barely over the bar. Can anyone here clarify for me whether such a flight qualifies as a "low scrimmage kick" that a player of R is allowed to bat? Even in that case, if you see there's no player of B back there, a quick whistle is harmless.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

ISTR this as common practice everywhere until NCAA legalized 2-way scoring. There's only 1 case in which I can see this making a difference, and that's where a B player in the end zone hears it & foregoes a chance to goaltend on a kick that's soft & drops barely over the bar. Can anyone here clarify for me whether such a flight qualifies as a "low scrimmage kick" that a player of R is allowed to bat? Even in that case, if you see there's no player of B back there, a quick whistle is harmless.

NFHS 9-7-2 indicates, "No player shall bat a loose ball other than a pass or fumble in flight, or a low scrimmage kick in flight which he is attempting to block in or behind the expanded neutral zone."

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Ewwww. Lemme guess, you put slaw on your BBQ sammich too?

My wife does....I add hot sauce.