Disallow the Goal?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What's the definition of "on" the rim?

The OP makes it sound like the ball had already gone past the ring. At that point it doesn't sound like the ball is "on" the rim, and therefore should be counted.

ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

I was going by this quote from JetMetFan...

9.11.1 SITUATION D:

The ball is on the ring of Team A's basket when A1 hits the net.

RULING: Basket interference by A1. No goal. The ball became dead when A1 touched the net as it is part of the basket. (4-6; 6-7-9)

But to further play devil's advocate, at what point is the ball no longer within the basket? A ball doesn't have to pass through the net in order to be counted, it just has to go through the ring. So if it's past the ring, then it would seem the ball is no longer within the basket. Therefore... again, in the OP, you'd count the basket.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I was going by this quote from JetMetFan...



But to further play devil's advocate, at what point is the ball no longer within the basket? A ball doesn't have to pass through the net in order to be counted, it just has to go through the ring. So if it's past the ring, then it would seem the ball is no longer within the basket. Therefore... again, in the OP, you'd count the basket.

Wow, I hope that you only officiate games which don't have a chance of having any BI or GT calls because you are woefully unaware of the rules for these situations.

Now go read the definitions of the basket and a made goal.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Wow, I hope that you only officiate games which don't have a chance of having any BI or GT calls because you are woefully unaware of the rules for these situations.

Now go read the definitions of the basket and a made goal.

While I could look up all this stuff before posting, I like to test my knowledge or lack thereof. Therefore, sometimes, I don't go "open book" when talking around here. I went by things written by others and responded.

I'm getting ready for work, so I don't have time to go nuts in the book, but I didn't come across a clear definition of a made basket. Rule 5 states that a goal is made when a live ball enters a basket from above and remains in or passes through. The definition for basket interference was given above, and just states the "on or within" thing. There doesn't seem to be a definition of "basket" or "made goal".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

There doesn't seem to be a definition of "basket" or "made goal".

(I've got today off from work.)

1-10-1: Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring ... its flange and braces, and a ... net ... suspended from beneath the ring.

5-1-1: A goal is made when a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through.

[BryanV21]

But it is a goal if the ball remains in the net, not just passes through. So thanks for that, but it still doesn't answer the question of when a made basket counts, and how that relates to the op.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

But it is a goal if the ball remains in the net, not just passes through. So thanks for that, but it still doesn't answer the question of when a made basket counts, and how that relates to the op.

"Remains in" is referring to a situation when the net has become stuck (legally) and the ball can't pass through. So, that element is not relevant to this discussion. BI, technically, is possible until the ball comes out of the bottom of the net.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

While I could look up all this stuff before posting, I like to test my knowledge or lack thereof. Therefore, sometimes, I don't go "open book" when talking around here. I went by things written by others and responded.

"Thinking" about what the answer might be before looking it up is a good thing. Just posting it here, not so much. imo anyway.

And, yes, sometimes you need to look in more than one spot in the book. That's where the paper version (as opposed to the electronic versions) comes in handy, I think. You'll often find other stuff that you didn't know when you are looking for an answer.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

But it is a goal if the ball remains in the net, not just passes through. So thanks for that, but it still doesn't answer the question of when a made basket counts, and how that relates to the op.

It's not a basket until the ball passes through the bottom of the net. If you're working NCAA, that's when the clock stops in the last minute of play.