Why disallow the basket?

[zeedonk]

I am confused by the rationale here, but I'll try talking out loud to see if I can answer my own question:

Q- A1's pass strikes A2 on the shoulder. As the ball is in flight, time expires. Ball enters the basket. Official disallows the basket. Is he correct?

Answer- Yes. (I was wrong, I said No)

We discussed this in class and the explanation was that the pass is not a try, tap or shot, therefore the goal is disallowed. I need further explanation...

However, I see that the goal is allowed if time has NOT expired (Case Book 5.1.1(a)). I also see that R 5.1.1 says a "goal is scored when a live ball enters the basket..."

It seems to me that this is an definition issue- live ball/dead ball. The ball is dead once time expires, except if there is a try or tap for a basket. Since the pass was not a try or tap, the ball is dead on the expiration of time, but the actual try or tap ball remains alive until the try for goal is good, or misses. Did I miss anything?


Being honest, I would have counted that basket 10 out of 10 times this past year if it happened. I guess that's why us young'uns go to class...

Z

[Scrapper1]

Talking to yourself really helps, doesn't it?

Since the pass was not a try, then the ball becomes dead immediately when the horn sounds to end the period. Once the ball becomes dead, no goal can be scored when it passes through the basket.

Originally Posted by zeedonk

I am confused by the rationale here, but I'll try talking out loud to see if I can answer my own question:

Looks like you did just that, way to go!

[Adam]

Well done, Z. It's always nice when you can talk yourself through something.

[jritchie]

This would be like the long full court shot at the buzzer situation that after the buzzer goes off and the shot hits about the free throw line and then goes in the basket it doesn't count either because the shot/try has ended after it hit the floor! But if there was still time on the clock it would count!!! Crazy situation and have seen it happen, basket was ruled good too....Opps!!

[Mark Padgett]

Also - don't forget that in the situation where the clock was still running, this would always be a two pointer even if the original shot was taken from behind the three point line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Don't forget that in the situation where the clock was still running, this would always be a two pointer even if the original shot was taken from behind the three point line.

What if a long full court shot hit a teammate, who was behind the three point arc, on the head, bounced off his head, and went in, before the buzzer sounded? I think, three. Pretty sure.

What if a long full court shot hit an opponent, who was behind the three point arc, on the head, bounced off his head, and went in, before the buzzer sounded? I think two, but I'm not sure.

Same two scenarios, but the trail official decides that it's a long pass, not a shot? I don't think that this changes the answers that I gave above.

Help???