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Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 03:28am
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You may be right...that it could mean something a bit different than the technical meaning of live ball. As so many non-officials use the term, it often includes the time between a made basket and a throwin. Hopefully, it will actually be that....that the coach can only be granted a timeout when the ball is dead AND the clock is stopped (and not during the interval when it is stopped in the final minute after a made bucket).
Hearing from the NCAA-W SRE, who was privy to the discussions on the men's side, it was stated that coaches will be able to ask for a TO during any dead ball...to include immediately after a made basket.
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:39am
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So for 10-second BC count, it will reset except for these 3 situations:
  1. OOB on defense
  2. TF on offense
  3. Held ball where offense retains possession
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:59am
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I don't know what is the big deal about dunking in pregame. I work FIBA rules where dunking is allowed in pregame. In my 15 years, I have yet to see a broken backboard or an injury related to this. Not to say that it can't happen. But if broken backboards and injuries while dunking are such a priority, let's prohbit dunking during the game as well.
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:11am
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I don't know what is the big deal about dunking in pregame. I work FIBA rules where dunking is allowed in pregame. In my 15 years, I have yet to see a broken backboard or an injury related to this. Not to say that it can't happen. But if broken backboards and injuries while dunking are such a priority, let's prohbit dunking during the game as well.
I have seen baskets/stanchions knocked askew causing delays in starting the game.
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:56pm
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A few interesting rules changes from the memo just posted on Arbiter (NCAA MEN):

4-1, 4-17
and 10-1
Penalty
No longer permit offense to score on a charging foul (e.g., airborne shooter).
Rationale: Reward the defense for an offensive foul. Also, eliminate the controversial call where an official counts the basket and
then awards free throws to the defensive team

4-17.4 and
4-17.6
Restrict a secondary defender who has established legal guarding position from moving sideways to maintain legal guarding position
on an airborne shooter/passer.
Rationale: Codify a previously approved interpretation of the guarding rules relating to block/charge plays involving an airborne
player.

10-3.1
and 11-
2.1.d
Add “faking being fouled by an opponent” as a Class A technical foul. Such acts include, but are not limited to, flopping or sudden
movement of the head in an attempt to draw a foul. However, such fouls could only be assessed after an official has elected to use
instant replay to review whether a flagrant foul has been committed and, in doing so, sees a clear violation of the rule involving faking
being fouled.
Rationale: Penalize this unsportsmanlike act, which is becoming more prevalent
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:56pm
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10-3.1
and 11-
2.1.d
Add “faking being fouled by an opponent” as a Class A technical foul. Such acts include, but are not limited to, flopping or sudden
movement of the head in an attempt to draw a foul. However, such fouls could only be assessed after an official has elected to use
instant replay to review whether a flagrant foul has been committed and, in doing so, sees a clear violation of the rule involving faking
being fouled.
Rationale: Penalize this unsportsmanlike act, which is becoming more prevalent
Great rule....the NBA needs to adopt it.
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Worst Case Scenario ...

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In my 15 years, I have yet to see a broken backboard ...
It's been thirty-five years for me, but I'm sure that I will remember the first time that I have to wait two hours to start a game, or, maybe, worse, I have to drive an hour back home after a game is postponed.
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:39pm
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"Removing the prohibition on dunking in pregame warmups and at halftime."

This is the one which stood out to me. Trying to get the spectators there early? Does the NCAA want to make attending a game more exciting for the fans by putting on a pregame dunk show?
Could it be that they just want to take a load off the officials? Is there anything else they make officials watch for during those intervals? Is there an official time or some other way to determine when "pregame warmups" begin? Or whether an individual who dunks the ball before the game starts is subject to the rule?
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:53pm
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Could it be that they just want to take a load off the officials? Is there anything else they make officials watch for during those intervals? Is there an official time or some other way to determine when "pregame warmups" begin? Or whether an individual who dunks the ball before the game starts is subject to the rule?
They would be subject to the rule whenever the officials enter the court...different rule sets/mechanic would dictate when the officials are to be on the court...but really, you can't enforce something till you see it.
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Old Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:49pm
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4-17.4 and
4-17.6
Restrict a secondary defender who has established legal guarding position from moving sideways to maintain legal guarding position on an airborne shooter/passer.
Rationale: Codify a previously approved interpretation of the guarding rules relating to block/charge plays involving an airborne player.
Isn't that already the rule at all levels?

I have yet to see an airborne player change direction without contact. That means that if a defender has to move sideways to be in the path of the airborne player ("maintain LGP", as they say above), that defender couldn't have been in the path of the opponent before the opponent went airborne. By definition, that means that the defender couldn't even have an LGP to maintain.
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Old Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:37pm
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I don't know what is the big deal about dunking in pregame. I work FIBA rules where dunking is allowed in pregame. In my 15 years, I have yet to see a broken backboard or an injury related to this. Not to say that it can't happen. But if broken backboards and injuries while dunking are such a priority, let's prohbit dunking during the game as well.
I saw a college game where a really big Wake dude destroyed the backboard early - before he wasn't allowed to dunk. Game was about 20 minutes late. (I suspect TV $ was pissed.)
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Isn't that already the rule at all levels?

I have yet to see an airborne player change direction without contact. That means that if a defender has to move sideways to be in the path of the airborne player ("maintain LGP", as they say above), that defender couldn't have been in the path of the opponent before the opponent went airborne. By definition, that means that the defender couldn't even have an LGP to maintain.
I thought it was just me when I read that. What worries me is if it had to be clarified that means officials were calling PC fouls on airborne shooters when a defender shifted to stay in front of them.
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• Reducing the amount of time allotted to replace a disqualified player from 20 to 15 seconds. Wonder if this affects the other replacement intervals as well and when the first warning horn will be sounded.
I can't speak to how NCAAM will handle this but in NCAAW we've been told the sequence will be...

*Officials are told player has committed her 5th foul
*HC is notified
*Timer is told to start timing the replacement interval
*Timer immediately sounds horn
*After 15 seconds, timer sounds horn again
*If player has not been replaced, HC receives direct T
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I will be at a camp next week and I am looking forward to hearing about the new NCAAW rules and how we are to implement them. I was wondering about the replacement protocol. Thanks.
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