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Old Mon May 11, 2015, 10:25pm
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Lower Defensive Block (a defined area around the basket that plays into when the RA is relevant and when it is not in some rule sets.)
Both NCAA-W and NBA rule sets call it the Lower Defensive Box.
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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 12:09am
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The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too
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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 12:21am
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The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too
Nothing interesting about the play...except that Tom Washington (the slot) beat Scott Foster (the trail) with his punch
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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 09:34am
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I can't see him moving/jumping forward in the clip posted. Would like to see another angle.
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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 03:50pm
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The offensive foul they called on James when he split the trap was pretty interesting too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9tw0HBhac



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I can't see him moving/jumping forward in the clip posted. Would like to see another angle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK1U9_h5jw

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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 07:57pm
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#1-Clear offensive (PC) foul. Not even a question.

#2-Technically a foul on Noah, but LBJ went kind of under and behind the basket. I can see why it was not called.

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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 07:58pm
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#2-Technically a foul on Noah, but LBJ went kind of under and behind the basket. I can see why it was not called.
Why?
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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 09:11pm
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I do not think Noah was in a legal position.

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Old Tue May 12, 2015, 11:34pm
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I do not think Noah was in a legal position.

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That doesn't really answer the question....Why was't he in legal position?
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Old Wed May 13, 2015, 08:01am
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Why?
Yeah, I'm curious as to the NBA's reasoning that Noah should have been charged with a foul. He looked legal to me.
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Old Wed May 13, 2015, 08:06am
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Yeah, I'm curious as to the NBA's reasoning that Noah should have been charged with a foul. He looked legal to me.
Their report says that Noah jumped forward instead of vertically.
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Old Wed May 13, 2015, 10:08am
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Their report says that Noah jumped forward instead of vertically.
He may have, but that is not apparent from any of the angles I've seen.
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Old Wed May 13, 2015, 01:19pm
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That doesn't really answer the question....Why was't he in legal position?
He was not vertical IMO. He jumped forward towards an airborne shooter IMO. So all the contact he had with LBJ was not legal. Again, my opinion, but it was also close and LBJ did not help himself by going so far under the basket which I think the official probably thought about in order to not actually call the foul. He was giving the ball back to the Cavs anyway and probably did not see the contact as obvious. And LBJ took on about 3 guys too which also would make me pause on a close contact play like this.

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Old Wed May 13, 2015, 01:21pm
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He may have, but that is not apparent from any of the angles I've seen.
Not apparent to me either.
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He was not vertical IMO. He jumped forward towards an airborne shooter IMO. So all the contact he had with LBJ was not legal. Again, my opinion, but it was also close and LBJ did not help himself by going so far under the basket which I think the official probably thought about in order to not actually call the foul. He was giving the ball back to the Cavs anyway and probably did not see the contact as obvious. And LBJ took on about 3 guys too which also would make me pause on a close contact play like this.

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Thank you. That is an answer.

I can't see that in the video but I also can't see that he was straight up. I can't argue that a foul is correct or not here.

The supplemental factors that you mention, however, are indeed real in determining if an advantage really did occur even if the contact was no in the defenders vertical plane. Given that LBJ had no where to go whether Noah was legal or not could easily make a foul a non-foul.
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