Michigan State vs. Duke

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I don't think it was that much of a reach. C is responsible for the curl play.

That is really not a curl play. That is more of a drive to the lane with two officials watching that play potentially. And the play not really starting near the lane. Not sure why he was watching there. The play happen outside of the lane on the other side of the lane. He reached to get it and it was not IMO obvious. If it was obvious I might agree with the call, but it was very close and I think on some level wrong (but that is up for debate). That was not a game saver or a call that everyone would say, "Absolutely that is a foul."

Peace

[blindzebra]

They missed both. First was not a trip and second was all ball. Basic physics an arm swinging down on the ball that hits the ball causes ball to go down. Arm swinging down that hits the arm causes ball to go up.

[constable]

no call on the trip. I like the 2nd call.

[abcdefg]

Both fouls went against the same player upping him to four in the game. Unfortunate.

[APG]

I do think the defender trips the offensive player in the first clip...I would expect that to be called 9/10 times.

Second play...appears to be a clean strip. I have no problem with the slot making the call...he has the open look at the play. I wouldn't consider this a reach for him to call.

[abcdefg]

Originally Posted by APG

I do think the defender trips the offensive player in the first clip...I would expect that to be called 9/10 times.

Second play...appears to be a clean strip. I have no problem with the slot making the call...he has the open look at the play. I wouldn't consider this a reach for him to call.

I think it's hard to say he tripped him when the offensive player stepped on his foot which was on the ground.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by abcdefg

Both fouls went against the same player upping him to four in the game. Unfortunate.

Sure, but he either shouldn't have been in the game...or more aptly, shouldn't have taken a swipe from the side of a driving player.

[walt]

I can see why the L called the trip but I don't like it. From the L's angle it probably looked like a trip caused by the defender's left leg. However, to me, the C has the whole play and obviously passed based upon his angle. It is a slight curl but more to the C than the L. Again to me, the L has to lay off that one.

The 2nd one is a foul. Looked like a chop across the wrist with the C having the best open look. The T is looking at back of the defender.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

They missed both. First was not a trip and second was all ball. Basic physics an arm swinging down on the ball that hits the ball causes ball to go down. Arm swinging down that hits the arm causes ball to go up.

That is a highly questionable use of physics. A player can EASILY be fouled, and the ball go down.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

That is a highly questionable use of physics. A player can EASILY be fouled, and the ball go down.

He almost had it right...a ball that goes down while the arms continue up is probably not a foul. If the ball continues up while one or both arms don't is probably a foul. Not absolute, but good indicators. But, the ball going up alone is not sufficient to indicate anything.