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Old Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:49pm
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Duke/Michigan State Pass and Crash (Video)

There was a pass and crash that was no-called at about the 4:05 mark in the first half on MSU's end. Thought it would be a good play for discussion.
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There was a pass and crash that was no-called at about the 4:05 mark in the first half on MSU's end. Thought it would be a good play for discussion.
Yep, if it is the play I'm thinking of, I think they missed it.

Fast break with the ball coming down the left side of the court and passed from the left block across to the right corner.

Lead was late getting getting back and was stuck behind the pass recipient in the corner at the time of the pass (not his call anyway). it appeared the C's head turned to follow the pass to the far corner instead of staying with the crash right on his side.
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:54am
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Team control foul. Lead is the primary on this transition play but he has to run around the eventual 3 point shooter and is not able to run directly to close down. C could get this, but is too far away due to the quick transition and run out. I guess I could live with a no call.
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Like Camron, I put this on the C for not minding his primary; you can see his head following the path of the pass.
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TC fouls that should be called.

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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 09:11am
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It looks like the C thought briefly about making the call late. It looks like he starts a left fist up, but stopped himself. I think he probably realized that he missed the crash while following the pass, and not knowing whether the defender had LGP or not, he opted to swallow his whistle.
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 09:35am
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I agree pass and crash plays need to be called. Hard to tell from this angle whether there was much contact though. Looks like the MSU player was moving sideways as the Duke player was falling (did not go through him).
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If the C made the call, should it be block on White or PC on Green?
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 10:47am
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If the C made the call, should it be block on White or PC on Green?
Well, it couldn't be Player Control, since he had already passed the ball. If it's on Green, it would simply be a Charge = Pass and Crash.
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 11:09am
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I agree pass and crash plays need to be called. Hard to tell from this angle whether there was much contact though. Looks like the MSU player was moving sideways as the Duke player was falling (did not go through him).
One, you don't need to "go through" to have a charge. Pretty sure they tried to take that philosophy away a couple of years ago.

Second, I think that green's foot lands behind (or even with) where white started and then green jumps / moves off of that to move sideways.

Charge.
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Well, it couldn't be Player Control, since he had already passed the ball. If it's on Green, it would simply be a Charge = Pass and Crash.
Team control foul.
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Team control foul.
I agree.
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i agree.
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If white/duke was in the bonus and the pass and crash was called do they shoot the free throws?
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