CA Open Championship (Boys)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

This would be a really easy decision for me on the floor. Like I've said to others, this isn't football, where we're expected to ignore the request.

[mutantducky]

yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

An ending made "horrible" due to a player's/coach's mental mistake.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

... the right thing to do was to ignore it ...

[rockyroad]

some people just don't get it...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Please post the CIF Section in which you officiate so that they can be contacted and told that you are in need of additional training.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I saw that too. I think the rules committee really needs to look at that because I see it called so inconsistency and often ignored.
I often see a player raise his hands up really fast. Makes it seem like a rebounding issue but really it is to distract the FT shooter. I'd rather have it clearer and more examples on when to call it because it seems to be all over the place. The players really don't know either what crosses the line.

If you call it the first time it happens you won't have worry about where that threshold is the rest of the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

if you watched the game I think you'd have agreed with me.
Again, like I said, it was very quick from the TO request and the end of regulation. Maybe the refs didn't see it. IDK. But absolutely it was the right move to ignore the T if that was the case as it would have meant a Technical foul with maybe .5 seconds left or something.

It was a good game with a fitting end.

I don't need to see the game to know that the idea of an official ignoring a timeout request to avoid a technical foul is a horrible idea.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Simply stated..as officials, we get into trouble when we don't understand the rules or misapply them or blow them off. Many decisions that we make are necessary but unpopular..that is called courage and it is part of what makes a great official...

[mutantducky]

I would never grant a TO with one second to go in a highly contested game, one of the best in the nation, if it meant the game would end like that.
btw, those were three highly regarded refs. None of them called it (assuming they had seen it)

[referee99]

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I would never grant a TO with one second to go in a highly contested game, one of the best in the nation, if it meant the game would end like that.
btw, those were three highly regarded refs. None of them called it (assuming they had seen it)

This is an embarrassment.

What other rules do you selectively ignore?

If a kid travels on a game winning half court shot do you let it go so the game doesn't end like that?

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by referee99

White's bench sure thought they granted the time-out request lol

That said, there sounded like several whistles going off in the final second or two...maybe they were unsure if there was time on the clock when they granted the TO?

Guess only a handful of people really know the answers.


As an aside, lets say this "ignored" TO request happens with 7 seconds left instead of 1. And lets say that the defense sees the request and rightfully stops playing defense, because the other team is clearly calling time out. But, the officials choose to ignore the rule and the offensive team goes the length of the court to win.....is that a better result?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

And lets say that the defense sees the request and rightfully stops playing defense, because the other team is clearly calling time out. But, the officials choose to ignore the rule and the offensive team goes the length of the court to win.....is that a better result?

If the defense stops as soon as they think they hear a request, they deserve whatever happens to them.

[mutantducky]

there clearly is a whistle or two. When I saw it live, I thought a TO had been granted. I thought the refs were discussing whether or not to put time back on the clock to give O'Dowd the ball. I didn't know there weren't any timeouts left and The tv people didn't know and they talked about that after. Listen I know about ignoring the tech and the issues that could arise but trust me if you watched the game you did not want to see end that way. But yes clearly there could have been an issue had there been another second or two on the clock. It appears to me one of the refs see the TO request and blows the whistle but time has run out, or they just let the clock run. It seemed to have stopped at .8. I don't know. I'm just glad I saw a quality game between two very good teams.

you see how the clock is stopped at .8? I think that was the clock operator, then it restarts. ha, what a mess that would have been if that last heave had gone in.