Gonzaga vs Duke Push with ball (Video)

[Adam]

If a player uses the ball to push an opponent, the chances are slim that I'll be able to see that there was no hand to body contact. I'm not that good.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If a player uses the ball to push an opponent, the chances are slim that I'll be able to see that there was no hand to body contact. I'm not that good.

I think that's what happened in the o p. But I don't see that it makes any difference.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think that's what happened in the o p. But I don't see that it makes any difference.

You haven't answered Nevada's question about the blocked shot.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You haven't answered Nevada's question about the blocked shot.

Comparing a blocked shot to a willful use of the ball to cause displacement is 2 completely different actions and cannot be compared.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

Comparing a blocked shot to a willful use of the ball to cause displacement is 2 completely different actions and cannot be compared.

Oh, so now intent matters? If A1 loses his balance and in the process sticks the ball out and accidentally knocks down a defender, it's not a foul?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Oh, so now intent matters? If A1 loses his balance and in the process sticks the ball out and accidentally knocks down a defender, it's not a foul?

You are really working hard to come up with crazy hypotheticals to prove your point. I say tomato, you say elephant.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

You are really working hard to come up with crazy hypotheticals to prove your point. I say tomato, you say elephant.

You are coming up with your all too common ways of avoiding the question.

Whenever someone sidesteps a question I know not to expect anything more constructive than "that's just what needs to be called" with nothing to back it up in the way of logical argument or a rules citation.

I know in my world if A1 unintentionally pushes B1 I have personal foul. If A1 intentionally pushes B1 I have an intentional foul.

In your world, with no explanation (other than some stupid reference to elephants and tomatoes), if A1 intentionally pushes B1 with the ball you have a personal foul, and if A1 unintentionally pushes B1 with the ball you have nothing. But no one is supposed to question your logic.