Camps in NC, SC. VA

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It's an NBA-ish philosophy (which all college officials will get to know and love if Joe DeRosa takes over for John Adams). Watch what Joe does, particularly once he becomes the C.

The philosophy starts with ball lines. Stay outside the ball lines; always be on the outside looking in.

As for L rotations, don't go simply based on quantity of players. Go because there's either something to officiate or (if you have a good feel for the game) because you anticipate there will be something to officiate. The keys to rotation are a competitive matchup in the post and/or a player on the opposite wing with a teammate either in the corner or moving to the corner. The latter key assumes the offense is setting up for a tray or a baseline drive, and you want to be there to either officiate strong-side rebounding or the drive to the basket. If the keys aren't there, don't rotate. The action is sparse and open enough for the C to handle.

The C should A) one-step open low or open high to get a good look between players, with the priority on opening low if at all possible, and B) not be in a hurry to go back to T if the L rotates to C's side. Stay and officiate! Two C's is not at all bad. The ball is moving to the basket in our game; never move away from where the ball is destined to go unless absolutely necessary. Get angles with subtle movements rather than big ones; it's easier to see plays when you're standing still rather than moving around. Besides, player motion is so erratic and constant in the modern game that the moment you try to get an angle it will probably disappear. So you might as well let the players create the angles for you. They always do.

The T can start in the traditional position, but as the lateral ball line moves in, move in with it. Should you need to transition to C, you'll be that much closer. And once you've moved in, even if you don't rotate to C, stay in, because the ball is probably still headed for the basket (the object is to score, after all). Only if the offense completely resets should the T back out and start over.

So there ya' go.

Could you please explain what "ball lines", "lateral ball lines", "open high", and "open low" are?

[ODog]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Could you please explain what "ball lines", "lateral ball lines", "open high", and "open low" are?

I second this. I could make educated guesses, but I'd rather have them confirmed by those more experienced than I.

Soooo?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Could you please explain what "ball lines", "lateral ball lines", "open high", and "open low" are?

Okay, since there's some sort of D-3 Supercamp / ODAC party going on here, I decided to finally log in again and post something.

There are two ball lines at any given time. The first ball line passes through the ball and is parallel to the end line (this is what CC5 is referring to as the lateral ball line). The second passes through the ball and is parallel to the sideline. The goal is always to stay outside of the ball lines, but as CC5 points out, when the lateral ball line moves towards the baseline, so should the T.

In the C, "open high" means to step away from the baseline and referee that play from the top side. "Open low" means to step down towards the baseline, and referee that play from the bottom side.


Brief fanboy mode: I agree with others here that I wasn't totally on board with this the first time I learned it. But I'll be damned if I didn't get more plays right when I started applying their court coverage and rotation philosophies.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

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In the C, "open high" means to step away from the baseline and referee that play from the top side. "Open low" means to step down towards the baseline, and referee that play from the bottom side.

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And all things being equal, "open low" being his preferred option.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

Okay, since there's some sort of D-3 Supercamp / ODAC party going on here, I decided to finally log in again and post something.

There are two ball lines at any given time. The first ball line passes through the ball and is parallel to the end line (this is what CC5 is referring to as the lateral ball line). The second passes through the ball and is parallel to the sideline. The goal is always to stay outside of the ball lines, but as CC5 points out, when the lateral ball line moves towards the baseline, so should the T.

In the C, "open high" means to step away from the baseline and referee that play from the top side. "Open low" means to step down towards the baseline, and referee that play from the bottom side.


Brief fanboy mode: I agree with others here that I wasn't totally on board with this the first time I learned it. But I'll be damned if I didn't get more plays right when I started applying their court coverage and rotation philosophies.

So, what you are saying is that these are the same things many of us have been doing for years but someone has given them new words so that it sounds like some great new technique. In 5 or 6 years expect someone to coin another term for this and make it sound like something new and then use it to make those who don't know the new lingo sound like they are not keeping up with the "changes" in mechanics.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, what you are saying is that these are the same things many of us have been doing for years but someone has given them new words so that it sounds like some great new technique. In 5 or 6 years expect someone to coin another term for this and make it sound like something new and then use it to make those who don't know the new lingo sound like they are not keeping up with the "changes" in mechanics.

Yeah I don't see how this is an NBA philosophy, I see 90 percent of the college guys on TV doing this same thing. And when I go to camps I hear "mirror the ball" and "close down to the endline as Trail" and "it's ok to have two C's" and C always goes to the "open low" position when there is a shot on the wing. Sounds like different terminology for the same stuff.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah I don't see how this is an NBA philosophy, I see 90 percent of the college guys on TV doing this same thing. And when I go to camps I hear "mirror the ball" and "close down to the endline as Trail" and "it's ok to have two C's" and C always goes to the "open low" position when there is a shot on the wing. Sounds like different terminology for the same stuff.

Exactly the terms I was thinking of... They mean exactly the same thing.

[Raymond]

I see A LOT of college and HS officials who back out of the C when the ball is in their primary and who bail out in the Trail, and who never close down in Trail, who do not mirror the ball in the Lead.

So, no, it's not what everyone already does.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I see A LOT of college and HS officials who back out of the C when the ball is in their primary and who bail out in the Trail, and who never close down in Trail, who do not mirror the ball in the Lead.

So, no, it's not what everyone already does.

Many may not do it, but that doesn't mean they're not being taught it.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I see A LOT of college and HS officials who back out of the C when the ball is in their primary and who bail out in the Trail, and who never close down in Trail, who do not mirror the ball in the Lead.

Are those guys the 90% of college officials I see on TV? I see a lot of officials doing the same thing you mention....but I wasn't referencing them in my post.