NC State vs Villanova (Video 2/2)

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It depends.

Without knowing exactly how the rule works, I'd think that any use of the possession arrow coming from a held ball should result in a fresh shot clock for the team with the arrow in every circumstance. Based on the end of this game, that's obviously not the case.

I could potentially see keeping the shot clock where it's at in the case of a ball getting caught between the backboard and the rim.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hbk314

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I could potentially see keeping the shot clock where it's at in the case of a ball getting caught between the backboard and the rim.

If it lodges that means it hit the rim.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If it lodges that means it hit the rim.

True. Unless it's an errant pass, right? ;-)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Without knowing exactly how the rule works, I'd think that any use of the possession arrow coming from a held ball should result in a fresh shot clock for the team with the arrow in every circumstance. Based on the end of this game, that's obviously not the case.

I'm not sure why BadNewsRef said, "it depends," though I'm sure he had a technical reason. But in essence, what you listed was correct. No re-set if the team in control has the arrow. There's no "change in possession" so it's just as if the ball was deflected out of bounds by the defense.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I'm not sure why BadNewsRef said, "it depends," though I'm sure he had a technical reason. But in essence, what you listed was correct. No re-set if the team in control has the arrow. There's no "change in possession" so it's just as if the ball was deflected out of bounds by the defense.

Depends if the defense, at some point, gained possession of the ball prior to the tie up.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Depends if the defense, at some point, gained possession of the ball prior to the tie up.

The reason I initially assumed it would be a fresh shot clock either way is that a held ball is essentially dual possession, so getting the ball via the arrow would be a fresh possession either way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hbk314

The reason I initially assumed it would be a fresh shot clock either way is that a held ball is essentially dual possession, so getting the ball via the arrow would be a fresh possession either way.

A.R. 212. Player A1 attempts a try for goal and:
1. The shot-clock horn sounds while the ball is in flight. The ball does not hit the ring or flange and is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball; or
2. After the try does not hit the ring or flange, it is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball. The shot-clock horn does not sound.

RULING 1: A shot-clock violation has occurred and the ball is awarded to Team B at a designated spot.

2: Since the shot-clock horn has not sounded, there is no violation. The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the
team that shot the ball.(Rule 9-12.4, 9-12.1, 9-12.3 and .4, 6-4.1.a and 2-11.7.i)

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A.R. 212. Player A1 attempts a try for goal and:
1. The shot-clock horn sounds while the ball is in flight. The ball does not hit the ring or flange and is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball; or
2. After the try does not hit the ring or flange, it is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball. The shot-clock horn does not sound.

RULING 1: A shot-clock violation has occurred and the ball is awarded to Team B at a designated spot.

2: Since the shot-clock horn has not sounded, there is no violation. The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the
team that shot the ball.(Rule 9-12.4, 9-12.1, 9-12.3 and .4, 6-4.1.a and 2-11.7.i)

I'm not disputing that that's the rule. I'm just explaining why it might not be obvious to the casual viewer, and why I asked to begin with.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hbk314

I'm not disputing that that's the rule. I'm just explaining why it might not be obvious to the casual viewer, and why I asked to begin with.

I'd rather just post the rule than speculate what people may or may not be thinking. Always the best way to settle a rules discussion.