Eastern Washington v Georgetown (Video)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

I just want to point out that what is excessive contact (which is the part of the intentional rule we're probably using in calling a T) during a live ball is different than what is excessive during a dead ball. i don't think you can use the mindframe of "well if it wasn't an intentional personal foul, then it won't be be technical foul." What is excessive depends on context of when the contact occurs.

Example...live ball and I swipe down hard on the arm of the dribbler in an attempt to steal the ball. Foul

I do the same thing after the ball is CLEARLY dead...five seconds after a whistle...that's probably going to get a T 9/10 times.

As to the video...I can live w/o there being a T.

In the NFHS rules, it just says "unless intentional or flagrant". Both of those are defined, but I don't disagree that the threshold for what's excessive may be different based on whether the ball is live or dead, or even how long it's been dead. I'll have to ponder that a bit, though.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

In the NFHS rules, it just says "unless intentional or flagrant". Both of those are defined, but I don't disagree that the threshold for what's excessive may be different based on whether the ball is live or dead, or even how long it's been dead. I'll have to ponder that a bit, though.

And that's my point...what meets the threshold for intentional during a live ball doesn't always carry over to a dead ball....that threshold is going to be a lot lower when the ball is clearly dead...where opponents have no real reason to be causing physical contact.

Originally Posted by APG

And that's my point...what meets the threshold for intentional during a live ball doesn't always carry over to a dead ball....that threshold is going to be a lot lower when the ball is clearly dead...where opponents have no real reason to be causing physical contact.

Yeah, there's a difference in threshold for sure. Two players are crossing during a timeout and one deliberately bumps the other one. Probably a common foul during the live play, maybe even incidental, but I'm not ignoring this during a dead ball. Gotta use common sense at times, and I think dead ball contact is one of those times.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

And that's my point...what meets the threshold for intentional during a live ball doesn't always carry over to a dead ball....that threshold is going to be a lot lower when the ball is clearly dead...where opponents have no real reason to be causing physical contact.

I don't disagree the threshhold moves, but I don't think it moves all that much.