The Dayton no-call (video)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm good with the no-call also, but I think it's funny someone said it would have been the worst call of the year.

We (officials) need to be able to explain why the contact was not a foul if asked by an observer or a supervisor. We can't just say, "I had nothing".

I agree. This probably wouldn't have even been the worst call of the 2nd half, and I say that without having seen any of the game.

[twocentsworth]

The mistake that was made was NOT putting Jamie Luckie, Ed Corbett, and Bryan Kersey on this game. U of Dayton playing an NCAA tourney game IN Dayton?....needed 3 guys that would call a foul and not be influenced by the environment.

That was a foul. Defender was NOT vertical (check out his arms stretched out towards the shooter that made contact w/ the shooter). Boise St. deserved a better whistle than they got on that play.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The mistake that was made was NOT putting Jamie Luckie, Ed Corbett, and Bryan Kersey on this game. U of Dayton playing an NCAA tourney game IN Dayton?....needed 3 guys that would call a foul and not be influenced by the environment.

This might get my vote for most ridiculous comment ever posted on this forum.

[Blindolbat]

Honestly I think it was a foul. Would anyone have seen it any differently if that lack of verticality had happened in the post? Post players get away with a lot of physical play until they have lack of verticality.
Also not saying the T was straightlined cause he wasn't, but he also didn't move at all through that play to improve, which I think he could have a bit. And might that have changed how he saw the verticality.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The mistake that was made was NOT putting Jamie Luckie, Ed Corbett, and Bryan Kersey on this game. U of Dayton playing an NCAA tourney game IN Dayton?....needed 3 guys that would call a foul and not be influenced by the environment.

That was a foul. Defender was NOT vertical (check out his arms stretched out towards the shooter that made contact w/ the shooter). Boise St. deserved a better whistle than they got on that play.

Troll much?

@JohnHigginsHair was on the game. Doesn't get more big time than thst. Padilla's a PAC12 official and Kelly works in the ACC.

[APG]

Better quality clip of play:

[youngump]

Originally Posted by APG

Better quality clip of play:

From that view it appears to me that the angle between the arm and the vertical of the player is about 30 degrees. Those of you who see this player as okay vertically, is that because you think the angle is less than that or because you think that amount of leaning over a shooter is okay?

[jpgc99]

The one issue I have on this play is that the trail official does not signal the 3 point try. As I said earlier, I'm okay with the no-call, but the trail official invites extra scrutiny by not signalling the 3pt try. It makes me question how engaged he was in the play.

If he had appeared more engaged and signaled the 3pt try, I would be more confident in supporting a no-call.

[BryanV21]

While the defender is not perfectly vertical, and may even be outside his own verticality, you can't dismiss the fact that the shooter is clearly jumping into the defender to try and draw a foul. By calling a shooting foul here you're bailing out the shooter.

Also, if the shooter wasn't jumping into the defense to draw a foul, the contact wouldn't have happened in the first place, making the shooter at least partially at fault. Should his fault be pushed aside? I don't think so.

No call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

The one issue I have on this play is that the trail official does not signal the 3 point try. As I said earlier, I'm okay with the no-call, but the trail official invites extra scrutiny by not signalling the 3pt try. It makes me question how engaged he was in the play.

If he had appeared more engaged and signaled the 3pt try, I would be more confident in supporting a no-call.

It tells me he was engaged and trying to watch the whole play. He likely was focussed on deciding whether to make a call, and by the time he decided, the ball was flying OOB anyway.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The mistake that was made was NOT putting Jamie Luckie, Ed Corbett, and Bryan Kersey on this game. U of Dayton playing an NCAA tourney game IN Dayton?....needed 3 guys that would call a foul and not be influenced by the environment.

That was a foul. Defender was NOT vertical (check out his arms stretched out towards the shooter that made contact w/ the shooter). Boise St. deserved a better whistle than they got on that play.

I would like to refund you a penny.