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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:08am
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The Dayton no-call (video)

On first viewing I liked the no call, but from the opposite baseline verticality was definitely an issue. Thoughts?

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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:13am
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Haven't looked at the video yet, but is it from the last shot of the game? If so, there is definitely a POV aspect to this play.

Would this be a foul at any other point in the game? If a foul is call, can it be defended? Does the NCAA want this fouled called?
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:20am
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Looks like a good no call. The defender landed back and had legal position and then the offensive player jumped into him. Didn't look like when the contact happened the defender was moving forward at all.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:21am
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I go with no call.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:28am
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Another interesting play at about the 9:55 mark of the first half.

Higgins is lead and has a bobble on the play. Trail comes in with a travel after you can clearly see Higgins giving the bobble signal.

I do not have a travel because possession was never gained. You cannot travel when no possession of the ball is established.

Thought this play may bring up some different opinions. Oh to be a fly on the wall during that halftime debriefing.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:38am
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.... Oh to be a fly on the wall during that halftime debriefing.
Why? Do you think there is going to be some big argument over the play.

In all of my years of officiating I have only been in the locker room twice for some sort of major disturbance. One time it involved an official at halftime who was just a straight up a$$-hole. I let him ramble on without responding. In 2nd half his arrogant a$$ caused a correctable error situation, so karma got its revenge. The other time was after a game and involved 2 guys who I don't think like each other very much.

I'm always bewildered when folks make comments like there is going to be some sort of big argument in the locker room over a call. We're frickin' grown ups, we better be able to calmly and candidly discuss plays without personally attacking someone and without taking it personally.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:47am
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I agreed with the no call when it happened and upon replay. Defender did jump towards the shooter but landed and stopped before the shooter jumped into him. The shooter should have just shot the ball first and hoped for the foul second instead of playing for the foul by pretending to shoot.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:52am
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I agreed with the no call when it happened and upon replay. Defender did jump towards the shooter but landed and stopped before the shooter jumped into him. The shooter should have just shot the ball first and hoped for the foul second instead of playing for the foul by pretending to shoot.
I don't think the debate is about B1 spot on the floor because he clearly landed and stayed in that spot. The debate is about the contact with the arms. Was B1 vertical? Was there illegal contact from his right arm? Was A1 responsible for any such contact?
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:58am
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I have a no-call here. I felt that way last night and I can live with that when the shooter throws himself into the defender. I also think the defender landed and then basically was vertical. Again the benefit of the doubt in live time is going to the defender in this case.

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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:09am
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No call when I saw it live and on the replay. Shooter lunges forward to try to manufacture a foul. Defender is slightly less than vertical (on the floor) but did not create the contact. I HATE when similar plays are rewarded with a foul.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:37am
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Why? Do you think there is going to be some big argument over the play.

In all of my years of officiating I have only been in the locker room twice for some sort of major disturbance. One time it involved an official at halftime who was just a straight up a$$-hole. I let him ramble on without responding. In 2nd half his arrogant a$$ caused a correctable error situation, so karma got its revenge. The other time was after a game and involved 2 guys who I don't think like each other very much.

I'm always bewildered when folks make comments like there is going to be some sort of big argument in the locker room over a call. We're frickin' grown ups, we better be able to calmly and candidly discuss plays without personally attacking someone and without taking it personally.
Exactly. I had the same thing happen in a playoff game. I saw a bobble, gave a bobble signal, partner called a travel.

Made me realize I probably shouldn't have given the signal, cause I'm not going in and arguing an inadvertent whistle there as I didn't know if there was something else I didn't see.

But even if I had disagreed, there'd be no strange blowup at halftime. That has never happened in 28 years, although I've been involved in one post-game thing.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:44am
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I thought this was a great no call.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:51am
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This is not a foul. Not a foul in 1st half or end of game. That wouldve been a travesty if it was called. IMO
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that would've been a horrible foul call.easiest no call that official had all year I'd bet.
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Old Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:28pm
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I watched almost all of this game. I languished threw Doug Gottlieb's constant harassment of "Higgins and his crew", and the idea that the crew was calling too many fouls, and not letting the kids play. This was a consistent theme from Mr. Gottleib throughout the game. What do you suppose his comment was after this play? "Ion, that is a foul in any gym in America!" Classic.
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