Block/Charge/No Call? (Video)

[APG]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

There probably was a taunt. It probably should have been a T. I just don't think we can say for sure there was. Maybe the dunker just let out a scream and rocked his head. I do think that is unlikely, but it could have been a situation when a T wasn't called for. And that would have been better for the lead to see.

Player dunks the ball on a opponent...opponent is on the ground...dunker stands over opponent on floor...head moves down in direction of opponent on the floor...

998/1000 times, he ain't whispering sweet nothings into his ear about a great attempt to challenge the play.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No call.

PC.

T for taunting.

Hard to believe anyone would pass on that taunting. That's pretty blatant. And I am constantly amazed at the things we officials like to "add on" to the rules to justify a call/no-call. Things like "he was falling early"

I have the same as you.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

There probably was a taunt. It probably should have been a T. I just don't think we can say for sure there was. Maybe the dunker just let out a scream and rocked his head. I do think that is unlikely, but it could have been a situation when a T wasn't called for. And that would have been better for the lead to see.

What makes you so unsure? I can say with near certainty that he was taunting the kid laying on the floor. Like someone said, what else would he be doing?

[JugglingReferee]

No call, player control, and a T.

Honestly, these are 3 easy calls to get. The Trail should have picked up the T because the L didn't officiate right to the end of that match-up.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No call, player control, and a T.

Honestly, these are 3 easy calls to get. The Trail should have picked up the T because the L didn't officiate right to the end of that match-up.

Cripes, the C (although way to high) is looking at the taunt and even closes on it and ignores it. The lead shouldn't have bailed, but my goodness the C was out of position on that entire sequence........

[constable]

1. No call.

2. No call- he flopped.

3. Obvious T for taunting. Regardless of the time left on the clock.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by constable

2. No call- he flopped.

This is not meant to single you out. Someone needs to define flop for me.

I see "flop" comments all over this message board when discussing block/charge calls. It's amazing to me how many of us look for any reason possible for no calls on what are clearly PC fouls. Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop. This defensive player had position and took the contact. The defense deserves to be rewarded for getting to the position first and making a good defensive play.

Players who flop should not be rewarded. But I think there is such a witch hunt for floppers that legitimate defensive plays are being penalized far too frequently.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by griblets

Someone needs to define flop for me.

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.

Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop.

What is a legitimate flop?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by griblets

Someone needs to define flop for me.

Originally Posted by just another ref

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

A flop is only one example of faking being fouled. There are others.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

That has nothing to do with the NCAA (at least W) rule. There is no T for flopping.

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is a legitimate flop?

I don't know but I've heard officials will shut it down.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.




What is a legitimate flop?

I know what a flop is. It was a rhetorical question...and a poor choice of words. Legitimate flop? Laughing at myself.

By legitimate flop, I meant really feigning being fouled. Reggie Miller was a flopper. Dennis Rodman was a flopper. I don't see that in this video nor many of the other block/charge videos have been discussed recently.

[constable]

Originally Posted by griblets

This is not meant to single you out. Someone needs to define flop for me.

I see "flop" comments all over this message board when discussing block/charge calls. It's amazing to me how many of us look for any reason possible for no calls on what are clearly PC fouls. Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop. This defensive player had position and took the contact. The defense deserves to be rewarded for getting to the position first and making a good defensive play.

Players who flop should not be rewarded. But I think there is such a witch hunt for floppers that legitimate defensive plays are being penalized far too frequently.

That is where we disagree. I don't think the defensive player took as much contact as you do. I have no problem calling charges but I'm not going to reward bad defence.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by constable

That is where we disagree. I don't think the defensive player took as much contact as you do. I have no problem calling charges but I'm not going to reward bad defence.

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

[constable]

Originally Posted by Rich

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

I never said it did. But going down early, or too easily isn't good defence.