Block/Charge/No Call? (Video)

[acgod24]

Thoughts??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1dmmEbW03A

[twocentsworth]

the first play in the video is a good no call…as for the dunk off of the steal….well, that is absolutely NOT a block (as the official called). By rule, that is an obvious PC foul - whether it gets called or not is another matter.

[Raymond]

What is definite is that there should have been a T for taunting after the dunk.

[ballgame99]

Wow, what a sequence. First play looks like a block, count the bucket.

The second looks like a PC if anything, I'm leaning towards no call on that one since the defender is bailing out which minimized the actual contact that occurred. Defender definitely establishes LGP. Also would consider a taunting T after the dunk.\

Also notice that the C has completely bailed on the first play. He is higher than the T and doesn't come back to help on the press either.

[jeremy341a]

I have no call, followed by no call (would have been pc but him falling early made contact minimal)l, followed by a T for taunting. I would reconsider the T if I had a different angle that showed something different. From this angle it appears to be a taunt.

[Camron Rust]

Potential block on the first call but I'd likely pass.

PC on the second situation. Defender had position in time. It might be OK to no call, but it isn't a block...too many feel that have to call something here and just find it easier to just go with a block regardless of the rules.

[JeffM]

Thirty seconds left in a close game. I wouldn't want to call a technical in that situation - I'm not saying it would be an incorrect call, but if it was the first time all game, I would prefer to remind him to knock it off when he first starts taunting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JeffM

Thirty seconds left in a close game. I wouldn't want to call a technical in that situation - I'm not saying it would be an incorrect call, but if it was the first time all game, I would prefer to remind him to knock it off when he first starts taunting.

I don't care if there's 1 second left and he just tied the game with the dunk, that's a T every time, IMO. If you've been letting this go all game, then sure, don't make it for the first time now. But I'm guessing he hasn't done this the rest of the game so you don't have to worry about what you've been letting go.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't care if there's 1 second left and he just tied the game with the dunk, that's a T every time, IMO. If you've been letting this go all game, then sure, don't make it for the first time now. But I'm guessing he hasn't done this the rest of the game so you don't have to worry about what you've been letting go.

This reminds me of a play I had last year. Partner calls a foul on V player on a made bucket with 12 seconds to go. This bucket tied the game. V player turns his back to my partner (I'm in the C partner was L) and said that's BS. I T'ed him. His coach told me that was a huge call in the situation and I told the coach all the more reason for him to retain his composure.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

speaking from the FIBA rule set:

1st play - I have no foul on this play.

2nd play - the defender would be awfully close to being inside the no-charge semi-circle so if he were a call on the offense would be incorrect, wouldn't call a block on the defender as he did have LGP just not completely outside the no-charge semi-circle. Assuming the defender was completely outside the no-charge area I see the defender establishing LGP before the offense is airborne so a charge would be the call I'd make.

3rd play - End of a close game and an exciting play where everyone is amped up. I'm probably not going to T this unless there have been issues prior to this time in the game. I'd say something to the player for sure about sportsmanship but I'm unlikely to T the player for the emotional reaction to a high intensity play.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta

speaking from the FIBA rule set:

1st play - I have no foul on this play.

2nd play - the defender would be awfully close to being inside the no-charge semi-circle so if he were a call on the offense would be incorrect, wouldn't call a block on the defender as he did have LGP just not completely outside the no-charge semi-circle. Assuming the defender was completely outside the no-charge area I see the defender establishing LGP before the offense is airborne so a charge would be the call I'd make.

3rd play - End of a close game and an exciting play where everyone is amped up. I'm probably not going to T this unless there have been issues prior to this time in the game. I'd say something to the player for sure about sportsmanship but I'm unlikely to T the player for the emotional reaction to a high intensity play.

There is not RA in the 2nd Play. And I forgot the taunting foul that was not called.

And yes there was a foul in the 1st Play either a block or a charge.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta

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3rd play - End of a close game and an exciting play where everyone is amped up. I'm probably not going to T this unless there have been issues prior to this time in the game. I'd say something to the player for sure about sportsmanship but I'm unlikely to T the player for the emotional reaction to a high intensity play.

There is a difference between emotional and taunting. Emotional is running back up court pounding your chest or flexing your biceps. This is standing over a prone player, then bending down to his face to embarrass him further.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JeffM

Thirty seconds left in a close game. I wouldn't want to call a technical in that situation - I'm not saying it would be an incorrect call, but if it was the first time all game, I would prefer to remind him to knock it off when he first starts taunting.

30 seconds left in the game and the offending team is up 70-61, it's a no-brainer for me. What good is a reminder at this point?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

30 seconds left in the game and the offending team is up 70-61, it's a no-brainer for me. What good is a reminder at this point?

Seriously. You warn early in the game for little stuff. This is not little.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

30 seconds left in the game and the offending team is up 70-61, it's a no-brainer for me. What good is a reminder at this point?

There are a lot of games where a taunt like that leads to a fight if it's not addressed properly.

And this play blows right through any possible warnings I may have given. Straight tea, no chaser.