Block/Charge/No Call? (Video)

[constable]

1. No call.

2. No call- he flopped.

3. Obvious T for taunting. Regardless of the time left on the clock.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by constable

2. No call- he flopped.

This is not meant to single you out. Someone needs to define flop for me.

I see "flop" comments all over this message board when discussing block/charge calls. It's amazing to me how many of us look for any reason possible for no calls on what are clearly PC fouls. Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop. This defensive player had position and took the contact. The defense deserves to be rewarded for getting to the position first and making a good defensive play.

Players who flop should not be rewarded. But I think there is such a witch hunt for floppers that legitimate defensive plays are being penalized far too frequently.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by griblets

Someone needs to define flop for me.

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.

Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop.

What is a legitimate flop?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by griblets

Someone needs to define flop for me.

Originally Posted by just another ref

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

A flop is only one example of faking being fouled. There are others.

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is a legitimate flop?

I don't know but I've heard officials will shut it down.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A flop is when a defender falls backward intentionally in an effort to embellish minimal (or no) contact.




What is a legitimate flop?

I know what a flop is. It was a rhetorical question...and a poor choice of words. Legitimate flop? Laughing at myself.

By legitimate flop, I meant really feigning being fouled. Reggie Miller was a flopper. Dennis Rodman was a flopper. I don't see that in this video nor many of the other block/charge videos have been discussed recently.

[constable]

Originally Posted by griblets

This is not meant to single you out. Someone needs to define flop for me.

I see "flop" comments all over this message board when discussing block/charge calls. It's amazing to me how many of us look for any reason possible for no calls on what are clearly PC fouls. Many of us are afraid to make the correct call because of fears of being fooled on a legitimate flop. This defensive player had position and took the contact. The defense deserves to be rewarded for getting to the position first and making a good defensive play.

Players who flop should not be rewarded. But I think there is such a witch hunt for floppers that legitimate defensive plays are being penalized far too frequently.

That is where we disagree. I don't think the defensive player took as much contact as you do. I have no problem calling charges but I'm not going to reward bad defence.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by constable

That is where we disagree. I don't think the defensive player took as much contact as you do. I have no problem calling charges but I'm not going to reward bad defence.

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

[constable]

Originally Posted by Rich

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

I never said it did. But going down early, or too easily isn't good defence.

Originally Posted by Rich

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

It is according to the Unwritten Rules for Officiating Division 1 Basketball Handbook™!

[constable]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It is according to the Unwritten Rules for Officiating Division 1 Basketball Handbook™!

Ya I didn't read anything Blias or Dickie V have authored.

It is a simple matter of physics. If a players upper body starts going down before they are contacted in their lower extremities...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by constable

Ya I didn't read anything Blias or Dickie V have authored.

It is a simple matter of physics. If a players upper body starts going down before they are contacted in their lower extremities...

I'll finish that for you...

....it is entirely irrelevant.

The call is simple, does the offensive player go through the space legally obtained by the defender? If the defender starts fading back AND the offense still hits them, that only magnifies the fact that the offensive player went through their space.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Good defense doesn't require standing in there and "taking it like a man."

4-23-3-E: The guard may turn or duck to absorb the shock of imminent contact.

And, of course, the defender is always allowed to move backward.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In proper rule language:

10-3-6 -F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw, or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled.

That has nothing to do with the NCAA (at least W) rule. There is no T for flopping.