Block/Charge/No Call? (Video)

[APG]

The slot and the lead should have been racing to see who could get the T first.

The taunting was already over by the time the C was trying to corral the ball. He missed the T by not being at the FTLE and watching the players, not chasing the ball. Lead is most culpable here IMO.

[mutantducky]

If there was a taunt, and I'm not sure that there was(yes it does look it was) then it should have been the lead. That's tough because you are going for the foul motions, but in that situation I'd want the calling ref to see the outcome and wait around a bit more. The lead had the best angle to see if there was a taunt. I can't fault the center ref for not calling it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

If there was a taunt, and I'm not sure that there was(yes it does look it was) then it should have been the lead. That's tough because you are going for the foul motions, but in that situation I'd want the calling ref to see the outcome and wait around a bit more. The lead had the best angle to see if there was a taunt. I can't fault the center ref for not calling it.

I don't know what you mean by the bolded part, but when I have a foul and any amount of players on the floor as a result, I do not leave the scene of the crime until one of my partners comes in. I stand there with a raised fist observing the subsequent action.

When I am the closest non-calling official, I sprint in and let my partner know I have it and he can go report.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by VrefA

Did anyone notice the clock on the video? Maybe it's just the TV's version of the electronic scoreboard, but it appears the foul was called at :32. The clock then runs down to :24. While the foul is being reported the clock is reset to :34?

EDIT: Not that this is the most important thing going on in the play. Just interesting to note

Lots of times the "clock" at the bottom of the screen isn't sync'd to the game clocks. That's why the monitor reviews need to see a sync'd clock or the stadium clocks, not the TV clock.

If you watch closely, you can see some sort of anomaly with the TV clock on many games.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

If there was a taunt, and I'm not sure that there was

What the hell do you think the player was doing then?

[JRutledge]

I think I have a T for taunting. Otherwise I have a no call. It looked like he flopped to me.

Now this makes me wonder who was working this game.

Peace

[mutantducky]

There probably was a taunt. It probably should have been a T. I just don't think we can say for sure there was. Maybe the dunker just let out a scream and rocked his head. I do think that is unlikely, but it could have been a situation when a T wasn't called for. And that would have been better for the lead to see.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

There probably was a taunt. It probably should have been a T. I just don't think we can say for sure there was. Maybe the dunker just let out a scream and rocked his head. I do think that is unlikely, but it could have been a situation when a T wasn't called for. And that would have been better for the lead to see.

Player dunks the ball on a opponent...opponent is on the ground...dunker stands over opponent on floor...head moves down in direction of opponent on the floor...

998/1000 times, he ain't whispering sweet nothings into his ear about a great attempt to challenge the play.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No call.

PC.

T for taunting.

Hard to believe anyone would pass on that taunting. That's pretty blatant. And I am constantly amazed at the things we officials like to "add on" to the rules to justify a call/no-call. Things like "he was falling early"

I have the same as you.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

There probably was a taunt. It probably should have been a T. I just don't think we can say for sure there was. Maybe the dunker just let out a scream and rocked his head. I do think that is unlikely, but it could have been a situation when a T wasn't called for. And that would have been better for the lead to see.

What makes you so unsure? I can say with near certainty that he was taunting the kid laying on the floor. Like someone said, what else would he be doing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

Player dunks the ball on a opponent...opponent is on the ground...dunker stands over opponent on floor...head moves down in direction of opponent on the floor...

998/1000 times, he ain't whispering sweet nothings into his ear about a great attempt to challenge the play.

This. I didn't see an extended hand to help the defender get up.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

This. I didn't see an extended hand to help the defender get up.

And on the flip side, when players are helping opponents up, I make sure to acknowledge it with a positive comment.

[Rich]

When there's a monster dunk, my eyes go right to the dunker in the immediate aftermath. I'm not looking to nail a taunt, but I'm certainly not going to miss one.

[bballref3966]

There is zero excuse not to put a whistle on that taunt. Everyone in the gym knows that kind of behavior is supposed to be penalized. That is not even a judgment call; it's a recognition call that merits a whistle whether it's a third grade rec game or the Final Four.

For those who say or imply that they wouldn't call it, how would you be explaining that to the opposing coach or your supervisor if you were in that position?

[JugglingReferee]

No call, player control, and a T.

Honestly, these are 3 easy calls to get. The Trail should have picked up the T because the L didn't officiate right to the end of that match-up.