Traveling

[PP]

Senior boys game last night player A1 recuperates a loose ball on 2 knees. Then he ends up on 1 knee from moving the ball around without dribbling. Then he dribbles to stand and continue his mission. Legal or not legal ?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by PP

...A1 recuperates a loose ball on 2 knees...

Ouch!
At least the healing process was quick.

[Nevadaref]

The rule only says that it is illegal to get up or attempt to get up/stand without dribbling, so there is no clear direction on going from two knees to one. You will only get the various opinions of people, but nothing concrete.

[just another ref]

When you say he went from two knees to one, I assume you mean he put the other foot flat on the floor. This is the first step in rising to a standing position. Therefore it sounds like a travel to me.

[PP]

Maybe that should of been the question can a player go from two knees to one knee and then dribble to stand.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PP

Maybe that should of been the question can a player go from two knees to one knee and then dribble to stand.

And the answer is still the same as Nevada gave in post #3.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Ouch!
At least the healing process was quick.

Perfect!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PP

Maybe that should of been the question can a player go from two knees to one knee and then dribble to stand.

As Nevadaref notes, the answer depends upon one's interpretation of "attempt to" stand. I can't remember what the split is, but this is something that we go around and around with now and then.

[Rob1968]

Case Book 4.44.5 SITUATION D: A1 secures possession of the ball with one knee in contact with the floor. May A1 assume a standing position without committing a traveling violation? RULING: It depends on what A1 does. If A1 attempts to stand up while holding the ball, a traveling violation occurs. However, if A1 starts a dribble and then rises, no violation has occurred. Also, A1 could pass, try for goal or request a time-out from that position.

The often repeated discussion here on the forum, is whether going from two knees in contact with the floor, to one knee, constitutes a traveling violation.
One side says that that move is an attempt to stand. The other side says that this play, in the Case Book, indicates that to stand means to go to a position of both feet on the floor, and no knee touching.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by PP

Senior boys game last night player A1 recuperates a loose ball on 2 knees. Then he ends up on 1 knee from moving the ball around without dribbling. Then he dribbles to stand and continue his mission. Legal or not legal ?

The question to ask is this: A1 gains control of the ball while on both knees. If A1 moves one of his knees has he traveled?

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Case Book 4.44.5 SITUATION D: A1 secures possession of the ball with one knee in contact with the floor. May A1 assume a standing position without committing a traveling violation? RULING: It depends on what A1 does. If A1 attempts to stand up while holding the ball, a traveling violation occurs. However, if A1 starts a dribble and then rises, no violation has occurred. Also, A1 could pass, try for goal or request a time-out from that position.

The often repeated discussion here on the forum, is whether going from two knees in contact with the floor, to one knee, constitutes a traveling violation.
One side says that that move is an attempt to stand. The other side says that this play, in the Case Book, indicates that to stand means to go to a position of both feet on the floor, and no knee touching.

Sorry, but regardless of which side one comes down on, I don't see any way this case congress close to answering the question.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sorry, but regardless of which side one comes down on, I don't see any way this case congress close to answering the question.

I agree.
I posted the substance of the past discussions just for information sake. I've noticed that we have more visitors to the forum, and thought it might be helpful.

I find the differences between NF and NCAA rules that govern the judgment in such cases quite interesting.

[Hawkeyes]

I'm one of the new guys to this forum and have already learned a lot - so thanks for taking the time to review men!
Two questions:
1. If a player while on their knees w/ the ball begins scooting or "knee walking" to avoid a jump ball - do we have a violation?
2. Once a player holding the ball sits up: can they then "lay down" again in an attempt to avoid a tie-up? How many "situps" can we allow?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyes

I'm one of the new guys to this forum and have already learned a lot - so thanks for taking the time to review men!
Two questions:
1. If a player while on their knees w/ the ball begins scooting or "knee walking" to avoid a jump ball - do we have a violation?
2. Once a player holding the ball sits up: can they then "lay down" again in an attempt to avoid a tie-up? How many "situps" can we allow?

1. Yes.

2. As many as can be completed in 5 seconds.

[kk13]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The question to ask is this: A1 gains control of the ball while on both knees. If A1 moves one of his knees has he traveled?

MTD, Sr.

My thought would be that 2 knees would be equivalent to 2 feet. One could move (i.e. pivot) as long as the other one remained stationary.