NFHS Questionnaire

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

10. Playing the game in halves.
-I really don't know. Would this, or should this, affect the number of time outs a team gets? I mean, the time between the quarters (minus halftime) kind of acts as 6th and 7th TOs right now.

I've seen it suggested (somewhere else on this forum) that the move to halves could be accompanied with a rule that an automatic, non-charged-to-a-team timeout be taken following the first foul or violation after the midpoint of the half (so, if you're playing 16-minute halves, the first foul/violation after at/below 7:59 on the clock).

MN doesn't do this, and I don't think there's any need to do this, but it would remove concerns about the "6th or 7th timeout" while having less of an interruption on the flow of the game.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I've seen it suggested (somewhere else on this forum) that the move to halves could be accompanied with a rule that an automatic, non-charged-to-a-team timeout be taken following the first foul or violation after the midpoint of the half (so, if you're playing 16-minute halves, the first foul/violation after at/below 7:59 on the clock).

MN doesn't do this, and I don't think there's any need to do this, but it would remove concerns about the "6th or 7th timeout" while having less of an interruption on the flow of the game.

Interesting. I like that it would only add two more minutes to the game, instead of four... like teams both getting two extra TOs would lead to (assuming they were full TOs).

At first, I liked adding two more time outs, but they would likely be saved until the end of the game. Hell, the time outs thing may not be an issue, anyway. Just curious.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Part II – Observations – Have You Seen In Your Area?

1. Illegal uniforms.

NO, not anymore. And our state modified the rule and I do not care.

2. Flopping.

Not anymore than usual.

3. Number and uniform same color.

No.

4. An increase in rough play during rebounds.

No. At least not to be expected.

5. An increase in slapping the backboard.

Nope.

6. An increase in recording/reporting errors to the scorekeeping personnel.

No more than usual.

7. Correctable errors being administered incorrectly in games.

Nope. Barely have them.

8. Uniform code and adornment rule codes being properly enforced in games.

No, because people do not care. It is a stupid rule, get rid of this rule all together please. At least the part of the sleeves and headbands. Who cares??!!!!

Part III – About Rules For 2014-15 – Would You Favor

1. Not getting a new 10 seconds after a time-out called from the backcourt or a deflection.

Hell NO!!!

2. Eliminating scoring on any charge call.

Don't care.

3. Adding specific information to the rules book for cleaning up post play.

I would be OK with this.

4. Calling a time-out and moving the ball to the half-court line.

No.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls.

No.

6. Widening the lane to 16 feet/opening up post play.

No.

7. Changing the closely guarded to 3 feet instead of 6 feet.

No

8. Adding the defensive arc to the floor.

No.

9. Providing a definition for a secondary defender.

No feeling on this.

10. Playing the game in halves.

Yes, yes, YES!!!!

11. Playing with a shot clock.

No.

12. Adding a sock color restriction/regulation to the uniform rule code.

HELL NAAAAAWWWW!!!!

Peace

[JRutledge]

For the record, I liked all the changes to the actual playing of the game. I hate this issue with sleeves and arm bands. I wish the NF would just allow players to wear whatever they wish as long as it is a solid color. Who cares if they match or not. Maybe the only thing is to allow certain colors, but do we have to match every item? We do not see most of these things anyway until the warm-ups come off.

Peace

[APG]

My thoughts.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Part II – Observations – Have You Seen In Your Area?

1. Illegal uniforms. No

2. Flopping. No more than usual

3. Number and uniform same color. No

4. An increase in rough play during rebounds. No

5. An increase in slapping the backboard. No

6. An increase in recording/reporting errors to the scorekeeping personnel. No

7. Correctable errors being administered incorrectly in games. No

8. Uniform code and adornment rule codes being properly enforced in games. Yes

Part III – About Rules For 2014-15 – Would You Favor

1. Not getting a new 10 seconds after a time-out called from the backcourt or a deflection. Yes...don't penalize the defense for playing good defense and forcing a TO/knocking the ball OOB.

2. Eliminating scoring on any charge call. Timid yes...don't really care either way. Not a situation that occurs often enough for me to care.

3. Adding specific information to the rules book for cleaning up post play. Not needed

4. Calling a time-out and moving the ball to the half-court line. I'd be okay with it...I'm okay w/o it.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. No

6. Widening the lane to 16 feet/opening up post play. No opinion.

7. Changing the closely guarded to 3 feet instead of 6 feet. No.

8. Adding the defensive arc to the floor. Yes...everyone already believes you can't take a charge under the basket anyway...might as well codify it.

9. Providing a definition for a secondary defender. Yes

10. Playing the game in halves. Timid no...see no issues playing quarters

11. Playing with a shot clock. Yes

12. Adding a sock color restriction/regulation to the uniform rule code.Hell no...if it were up to me, all we would be concerned about is the entire team having a similar colored jersey and numbers on the front and back...having official worry about sleeves and bands and their colors and logos is stupid.

[Welpe]

I'd really like to know what they mean about scoring on a charge call. Did somebody think the NCAA-M rule apply?

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'd really like to know what they mean about scoring on a charge call. Did somebody think the NCAA-M rule apply?

My thought...This would bring the rule closer to the NBA offensive foul call rules. Offense can't score on any offensive foul if I recall correctly

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I wish the NF would just allow players to wear whatever they wish as long as it is a solid color. Who cares if they match or not.

I officiated a preseason scrimmage in which the players wore scrimmage jerseys, white for home, and red for visitors, with many players wearing multiple color undershirts underneath their jerseys. Because it was a scrimmage, we didn't enforce the undershirt color rule. Rebounding fouls, and out of bounds calls under the basket, that would usually be very easy, became a slight challenge. When you've got few big kids reaching for a rebound, some with a white jersey and a red undershirt, some with a red jersey and a white undershirt, some with a white jersey and a white undershirt, and some with a red jersey and a red undershirt, simple calls became more difficult, not a lot more difficult, but still, more difficult.

I believe that the NFHS is right to have color rules for equipment, and uniforms, but only from the waist up. I really don't care what the players are wearing from the waist down, with the only possible exceptions being a kicked ball out of a crowd, or an out of bounds call from a crowd off a player's leg, but we don't get too many of those.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
Part II – Observations – Have You Seen In Your Area?

1. Illegal uniforms. No

2. Flopping. No

3. Number and uniform same color. No

4. An increase in rough play during rebounds. No

5. An increase in slapping the backboard. No

6. An increase in recording/reporting errors to the scorekeeping personnel. No

7. Correctable errors being administered incorrectly in games. No

8. Uniform code and adornment rule codes being properly enforced in games. Mostly-some guys just hate being fashion police

Part III – About Rules For 2014-15 – Would You Favor

1. Not getting a new 10 seconds after a time-out called from the backcourt or a deflection. Yes-would love this actually.

2. Eliminating scoring on any charge call. No

3. Adding specific information to the rules book for cleaning up post play. No way

4. Calling a time-out and moving the ball to the half-court line. I don't like this rule in the NBA

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. No

6. Widening the lane to 16 feet/opening up post play. No

7. Changing the closely guarded to 3 feet instead of 6 feet. No - think this would slow down the game

8. Adding the defensive arc to the floor. Agree with APG - Yes, fans already think it's there

9. Providing a definition for a secondary defender. No

10. Playing the game in halves. No-these are teens-I don't mind them getting the extra break

11. Playing with a shot clock. Would love it

12. Adding a sock color restriction/regulation to the uniform rule code. OMG-No

[CoachP]

I was also emailed the NFHS questionnaire. It came to me via MSHAA.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. I answered "yes"

Basketball is the only sport that has a limit. A football player can have 17 holding penalties in a game without disqualification. A hockey player can have 12 tripping penalties without disqualification. What makes basketball different? If we are worried about a foul fest, 1 more is not going to break the bank. In light of the hand check emphasis, we are seeing starter A1 going to the bench with 2 fouls and sitting until the start of the second half because he picked up "2 quick ones".

And then throw in the 2 Twenty minute halves possibility, there is 4 more mintes of game time. (Yes, I believe the NCAA should be 6 also)

Just curious of reasoning behind all of the "no" responses in the sticky note that Billy posted....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I was also emailed the NFHS questionnaire. It came to me via MSHAA.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. I answered "yes"

Basketball is the only sport that has a limit. A football player can have 17 holding penalties in a game without disqualification. A hockey player can have 12 tripping penalties without disqualification. What makes basketball different? If we are worried about a foul fest, 1 more is not going to break the bank. In light of the hand check emphasis, we are seeing starter A1 going to the bench with 2 fouls and sitting until the start of the second half because he picked up "2 quick ones".

And then throw in the 2 Twenty minute halves possibility, there is 4 more mintes of game time. (Yes, I believe the NCAA should be 6 also)

Just curious of reasoning behind all of the "no" responses in the sticky note that Billy posted....

I've actually seen players using hands less in response to the hand check changes. I think adding a foul pretty much counter-acts any benefits of the rule change with regard to cleaner play.

If they add 4 minutes of game time, then I can see adding a foul.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I was also emailed the NFHS questionnaire. It came to me via MSHAA.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. I answered "yes"

Basketball is the only sport that has a limit. A football player can have 17 holding penalties in a game without disqualification. A hockey player can have 12 tripping penalties without disqualification. What makes basketball different? If we are worried about a foul fest, 1 more is not going to break the bank. In light of the hand check emphasis, we are seeing starter A1 going to the bench with 2 fouls and sitting until the start of the second half because he picked up "2 quick ones".

And then throw in the 2 Twenty minute halves possibility, there is 4 more mintes of game time. (Yes, I believe the NCAA should be 6 also)

Just curious of reasoning behind all of the "no" responses in the sticky note that Billy posted....

I suspect it is because if players are permitted an additional foul there will be more physical play. In my mind 5 is plenty for HS and College. (IIRC correctly one of the conferences experimente with 6 PFs [Big East?] in the late 80s; after a couple of years they wnet back to 5.)

(BTW, soccer has something slightly similar, albeit rarely invoked. A soccer player can be cautioned and then dismissed for "persistent infringement" of the laws of the game -- whcih generally refers to fouls. But there is not a magic number of fouls.)

Originally Posted by CoachP

I was also emailed the NFHS questionnaire. It came to me via MSHAA.

5. Permitting a player to have six personal fouls. I answered "yes"

Basketball is the only sport that has a limit. A football player can have 17 holding penalties in a game without disqualification. A hockey player can have 12 tripping penalties without disqualification. What makes basketball different? If we are worried about a foul fest, 1 more is not going to break the bank. In light of the hand check emphasis, we are seeing starter A1 going to the bench with 2 fouls and sitting until the start of the second half because he picked up "2 quick ones".

And then throw in the 2 Twenty minute halves possibility, there is 4 more mintes of game time. (Yes, I believe the NCAA should be 6 also)

Just curious of reasoning behind all of the "no" responses in the sticky note that Billy posted....

6 fouls means I have to call more on your idiot troublemaker player before he sits down to cool off. And that means the other team is shooting bonus earlier. Do you really want that?

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

But there is not a magic number of fouls.

Yes there is, it's 4.

[CoachP]

[QUOTE=AremRed;956659]6 fouls means I have to call more on your idiot troublemaker player before he sits down to cool off. And that means the other team is shooting bonus earlier. Do you really want that?



If he is an idiot -trouble maker, a T and a PF at once gets him out all the quicker!

I don't think reaching and over the back are quite the troublemaker fouls.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I don't think reaching and over the back are quite the troublemaker fouls.

You're right, reaching and over the back aren't fouls at all.