concussion headband

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Semantics.

I use the same phrasing with earrings. While I'm probably going to be even more careful with something like this, let's not pretend they don't mean the same thing.

If you tell somebody that they have to take something off, and that player suffers because of it, a court will definitely care about "semantics". It's happened before.

[so cal lurker]

I'm still waiting to see any research that says those things actually reduce concussions . . . last time I saw research (which I think was from soccer), there was no evidence that they did anything to reduce concussions. (Which makes sense if you are paying attention to what a concussion really is [movement of the brain within the skull] rather than trying to make a buck off mommy's fears for little Johnny. That pad is going to do very little to change the rate of acceleration/decleration of the skull, which is what causes the brain to slosh inside.)

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I'm still waiting to see any research that says those things actually reduce concussions . . . last time I saw research (which I think was from soccer), there was no evidence that they did anything to reduce concussions. (Which makes sense if you are paying attention to what a concussion really is [movement of the brain within the skull] rather than trying to make a buck off mommy's fears for little Johnny. That pad is going to do very little to change the rate of acceleration/decleration of the skull, which is what causes the brain to slosh inside.)

Until my state or association tells me differently, I'm not acting like a doctor or medical professional.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Until my state or association tells me differently, I'm not acting like a doctor or medical professional.

Not suggesting refs should do anything. I do think those headbands are a fraud that is taking advantage of fear and that may be increasing risks of actual concussions (likely more so in soccer than basketball) becuase players falsely think they have some measure of protection.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If you tell somebody that they have to take something off, and that player suffers because of it, a court will definitely care about "semantics". It's happened before.

You have a citation?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You have a citation?

I'm at work, but I'm sure you can Google it.

And while it didn't get to court, there was an issue here a couple years ago when a parent was mad because her daughter told to remove an earring and it caused an infection.

[constable]

Legal in Ontario. I can't see any reason why they would prohibited.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm at work, but I'm sure you can Google it.

And while it didn't get to court, there was an issue here a couple years ago when a parent was mad because her daughter told to remove an earring and it caused an infection.

It's the "it's happened before" that I was questioning. Has it really?

For all the fear of lawsuits, precious few actually happen. And if I get sued, I'll make a call to NASO.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Rich

You have a citation?

Much of law is not black and white, but people (whether judge or jury) parsing through the gray.

If some yahoo were to claim that you created danger by forcing his child to take off something, which do you think is going to play better to a jury?

"I told her to take it off."

or

"I told her it was her decision whether to take it off or not, but that under the rules I couldn't let her play with it on."

But forget about the very low risk of ever being in court over something like this -- which is easier for you to manage? I'd submit that the second one is. You explain and put the ball in the player's court -- it is now up to the player to make a decision on whether to play or not.

[bob jenkins]

Specifically NOT allowed in NCAA (based on a recommendation from the Sports Medicine Group (or something like that).

I think the rationale is along the lines of: If you have a concussion, you shouldn't be playing, with or without a headband. If you don't have one, these won't prevent one based on the types of collisions typically seen in basketball (head-to-head or head-to-floor). They are allowed in sports such as soccer where they can/might reduce the cumulative effects of low-impact collisions such as head to ball.