Rules Question on strange D1 Ending (Video)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Contact does not make this not a violation.

Pretty sure it does. I've spoken with several college officials who have told me to try to find a way to say he was pushed out and only call this if there was clearly no contact causing the player to go OOB.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Pretty sure it does. I've spoken with several college officials who have told me to try to find a way to say he was pushed out and only call this if there was clearly no contact causing the player to go OOB.

I see no contact on this play. A1 runs around the pick, stepping OOB while B1 gets screened and ends up trailing the play.

Cannot trust the account given by kend one bit.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I see no contact on this play. A1 runs around the pick, stepping OOB while B1 gets screened and ends up trailing the play.

I can't tell from the angles we had but I'm fine with the call if there was no contact. I called it myself this year, and it left everyone in the gym thinking "WTF?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Pretty sure it does. I've spoken with several college officials who have told me to try to find a way to say he was pushed out and only call this if there was clearly no contact causing the player to go OOB.

If there is no foul ruled on the player and incidental contact takes place, a player still can run somewhere they are not supposed to. It is no different than if a player goes to the end line on a drive and a legal defender has contact with them and they go out of bounds. We do not penalize (or at least I do not) if the defender or opponent was legal. So why would I need contact or not have contact to make this determination? If there is contact I will give anyone the benefit of stepping on the line, but this rule is not about stepping on the line. The rule is about running around a screen or running out of bounds to get to a place easier. If this player's teammate is setting a screen right near the line and this player goes around him, that is a violation.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Pretty sure it does. I've spoken with several college officials who have told me to try to find a way to say he was pushed out and only call this if there was clearly no contact causing the player to go OOB.

Sounds like officials that like to make things up. I don't usually listen to those.

Either he stepped out on his own or he didn't. If he was contacted and stil went out on his own, trying to find a excuse to avoid making the call is cowardly.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sounds like officials that like to make things up. I don't usually listen to those.

Either he stepped out on his own or he didn't. If he was contacted and stil went out on his own, trying to find a excuse to avoid making the call is cowardly.

Dunno about you but I tend to listen to college referees. I'm not saying lie and say he was pushed out when he wasn't. And if a player was pushed out then it's a valid excuse, not cowardly.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Dunno about you but I tend to listen to college referees. I'm not saying lie and say he was pushed out when he wasn't. And if a player was pushed out then it's a valid excuse, not cowardly.

I listen to some and don't listen to others. Some officials move up by BS'ing their way along. I have no use for those.

You said they suggested you find a way to say they were pushed out. Either they were pushed out or not. I don't need to find a way to say they were pushed out.

[crosscountry55]

So yeah, I get the college rule now. It's clear about going out of bounds and then being the first to receive a pass.

That part in red isn't in the NFHS rule for a "player OOB for an unauthorized reason." So in essence, you could call it right away in HS, though in practice I think we wait to see the result of the play, i.e. did the player gain a big advantage by avoiding a pick, getting an open look jumper, etc. I think that's the intent of the NFHS rule; it's just a bit more carefully encoded in the NCAA rules.

Thoughts? And/or how would you handle this same situation in a HS game?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

So yeah, I get the college rule now. It's clear about going out of bounds and then being the first to receive a pass.

That part in red isn't in the NFHS rule for a "player OOB for an unauthorized reason." So in essence, you could call it right away in HS, though in practice I think we wait to see the result of the play, i.e. did the player gain a big advantage by avoiding a pick, getting an open look jumper, etc. I think that's the intent of the NFHS rule; it's just a bit more carefully encoded in the NCAA rules.

Thoughts? And/or how would you handle this same situation in a HS game?

I'd enforce the rule and call a violation. It's really that simple.

[Raymond]

Incidental contact could cause a player to step OOB. That would not be leaving the court voluntarily, nor would it be a foul.