Duke at Notre Dame (Video)

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please notice that shooter in the second play significantly jumps forward.

And?

[Raymond]

In play 1 there is no camera angle that shows where W32 makes contact with ball or player, so how can we judge if the Lead got it right? I'm trusting the Lead saw illegal contact.

[ccrroo]

Fan here. Just curious.

In play 1 (in the post) is there an opportunity for W32 to take a charge. It looks like W32 is in great position and B15 is just moving him out of the way.

Does he not take a charge because the rules don't allow it or because he doesn't think a charge is the best defense in that situation?

I might suggest to my 12 year old in that great of position to take a charge. But if it's not a good option, I'd like to understand why.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ccrroo

Fan here. Just curious.

In play 1 (in the post) is there an opportunity for W32 to take a charge. It looks like W32 is in great position and B15 is just moving him out of the way.

Does he not take a charge because the rules don't allow it or because he doesn't think a charge is the best defense in that situation?

I might suggest to my 12 year old in that great of position to take a charge. But if it's not a good option, I'd like to understand why.

I think you mean white 35.

And, yes, one of the decisions we frequently have to make is whether the offense is displacing the defense, or whether the defense is simply giving ground.

[mutantducky]

first video no foul, but whatever not really a controversial play and those happen.
Second one is the classic case of the ref anticipating the foul because the defender got up in the air, only problem was the lack of a foul.

Play 1: Nothing. Great job by Lead leaving early while players were still tussling.

Play 2: Nothing

[ccrroo]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you mean white 35.

And, yes, one of the decisions we frequently have to make is whether the offense is displacing the defense, or whether the defense is simply giving ground.

My bad. I meant W35.

I'm assuming in this case the official thought the defense was giving ground. So the defense doesn't have to do anything but play it exactly as he did.
Then the ref decides displacing or giving?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ccrroo

My bad. I meant W35.

I'm assuming in this case the official thought the defense was giving ground. So the defense doesn't have to do anything but play it exactly as he did.
Then the ref decides displacing or giving?

Correct -- and I agree with the official that W35 was giving ground and that this part of the action was NOT a foul (and I have no comment on any other part of the play)

[Rob1968]

Is there a level/age group of play where you might call the offensive player for that much advancement, and contact, as his defender "gives ground."
Does the position of the offensive player's forearm have any influence on a decision to call this an offensive foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

And?

Yup. That's a foul. The defender left his feet and moved significantly forward towards the shooter -- smart play by the shooter to draw the foul.

The overhead shot shows that #1 is probably a miss, but it's still not the look the L had, so who knows what he saw?