Possession question

[MD Longhorn]

A should have gotten the throw in, not B.

[UpperValley]

Having been a scorekeeper for many years, this looks like a forgotten change of the arrow. The OP states team A got the ball to start the third quarter. Assuming no held balls during the third quarter, the arrow should have team B possession. Upon conferring at the end of the quarter, it's discovered that the arrow wasn't changed at the beginning of the quarter, therefore giving B the possession arrow. It happens.

(Agree that you can't have a held ball after the buzzer.)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UpperValley

Having been a scorekeeper for many years, this looks like a forgotten change of the arrow. The OP states team A got the ball to start the third quarter. Assuming no held balls during the third quarter, the arrow should have team B possession. Upon conferring at the end of the quarter, it's discovered that the arrow wasn't changed at the beginning of the quarter, therefore giving B the possession arrow. It happens.

(Agree that you can't have a held ball after the buzzer.)

In all of my games, I suspect I could count on my hand the number of times I've had an entire quarter go by without using the arrow at all .

I think OP is right, albeit for the wrong reason.

[UpperValley]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

In all of my games, I suspect I could count on my hand the number of times I've had an entire quarter go by without using the arrow at all .

I would agree, although I have had a few games where the arrow only changed at each quarter. Just throwing out how/why the actual throw in was in conflict with what the arrow showed. I think the jump ball is a distraction.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

In all of my games, I suspect I could count on my hand the number of times I've had an entire quarter go by without using the arrow at all .

Really? I don't find it uncommon at all. It's certainly more common in boys games than girls games. And in sub-varsity it's less likely. But in varsity games, it's not unusual at all.

[APG]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

In all of my games, I suspect I could count on my hand the number of times I've had an entire quarter go by without using the arrow at all .

I think OP is right, albeit for the wrong reason.

In the boys game I work, it's not too uncommon to have 2-3 quarters without a held ball.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by APG

In the boys game I work, it's not too uncommon to have 2-3 quarters without a held ball.

And in 6th grade girls games, it's not too uncommon to go 2 or 3 possessions without a held ball . . . I rember reffing those games in HS (my "training" was reading the rule book) -- and my arm could be tired from tossing the ball up so many times. . . I still think the guys on the committee who adopted the horrific possession arrow "solution" must have done those young games . . .

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

In all of my games, I suspect I could count on my hand the number of times I've had an entire quarter go by without using the arrow at all .

I think OP is right, albeit for the wrong reason.

I have quarters go by all the time where we don't use the arrow. I don't even remember them anymore. I do remember a game this year where we went three quarters without using it, then had 4 within the first two minutes of the 4th quarter.

Originally Posted by Adam

I have quarters go by all the time where we don't use the arrow. I don't even remember them anymore. I do remember a game this year where we went three quarters without using it, then had 4 within the first two minutes of the 4th quarter.

It is theoretically impossible to go more than a quarter (or halves if you play that) without using the arrow.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It is theoretically impossible to go more than a quarter (or halves if you play that) without using the arrow.

Theoretically, I could start every quarter with a T….

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Theoretically, I could start every quarter with a T….

= comeback of the month. Oh, snap!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It is theoretically impossible to go more than a quarter (or halves if you play that) without using the arrow.

Theoretically, you'd be right.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AremRed

It is theoretically impossible to go more than a quarter (or halves if you play that) without using the arrow.

Actually, it's not. It's theoretically possible to go the entire game without using it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by UpperValley

Assuming no held balls during the third quarter, the arrow should have team B possession.

That's quite an assumption.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by UpperValley

Having been a scorekeeper for many years, this looks like a forgotten change of the arrow. The OP states team A got the ball to start the third quarter. Assuming no held balls during the third quarter, the arrow should have team B possession. Upon conferring at the end of the quarter, it's discovered that the arrow wasn't changed at the beginning of the quarter, therefore giving B the possession arrow. It happens.

(Agree that you can't have a held ball after the buzzer.)

The OP also says that at the time of the "held ball" the arrow was in favor of A.

But this is all pretty simple:
*If the arrow was properly in the directon of A at the time of the "held ball" that ended Q3, then an error was made.

(But, especailly if it was an MS game, it would hardly be surprising if the table was simply wrong and the arrow was supposed to be for B already.)