DSU/NCCU Video Request (ESPNU) (Video)

[mutantducky]

None that I can think of.
But if one ref clearly sees it is a flop. This is a player who I knew and he was good. He led the league in scoring actually. But he also was known to do a flop once in a while, good acting job and would fall over and really ham it up. Not as bad as that Lance Stephenson play a couple of weeks ago but something along those lines.
The ref doing the inbounds may get fooled into thinking it is a foul as his eyes may be off somewhere else, so he reacts to the player falling down and assumes it is a foul. If the other refs on the court can see that it is a flop then I don't have an issue with them coming over and telling the calling official what happened.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by APG

Again I ask, when was the last time, in a basketball game with actual trained officials, you saw one official go to the other and try and talk him out of a foul based solely on the amount of contact?

Funny you should bring that up. I was at a camp last year where an NFL white hat was a guest speaker. Years ago he officiated basketball but today only does football. He said, rhetorically, "You know, in football we pick up flags all of the time. In basketball you'll sometimes come together on an out-of-bounds call, but why don't you ever come together on fouls?" I have to admit, football seems to be way ahead of us on the issue of information sharing.

Granted our culture isn't going to change overnight, and in football, where the NFL officials to players ratio is 9:22 (ours is 6.6:22 in a three-man crew), more than one set of eyes is typically on the same matchup. But still, our culture is an obstinate one, isn't it?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Awful.
There absolutely is a whistle. There is not a fist in the air by anyone.

I don't get it.

I had a foul at the end of a quarter of a JV girls' game last month. My fist went up, and stayed up for 5-10 seconds after the buzzer, so everyone knew we had a foul, and who ruled it.

Is this simply not an important detail officiating college games?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't get it.

I had a foul at the end of a quarter of a JV girls' game last month. My fist went up, and stayed up for 5-10 seconds after the buzzer, so everyone knew we had a foul, and who ruled it.

Is this simply not an important detail officiating college games?

I think it was a combination of trying to decide what was more important (the attempt signal or the foul signal) and the fact that the whistling trail probably regretted it the instant he blew it. Brain kind of went into shutdown for a couple of seconds when he should have at least been vigorously closing down and selling the call.

Not his finest moment. I'll bet his next game is his best all season.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Funny you should bring that up. I was at a camp last year where an NFL white hat was a guest speaker. Years ago he officiated basketball but today only does football. He said, rhetorically, "You know, in football we pick up flags all of the time. In basketball you'll sometimes come together on an out-of-bounds call, but why don't you ever come together on fouls?" I have to admit, football seems to be way ahead of us on the issue of information sharing.

Granted our culture isn't going to change overnight, and in football, where the NFL officials to players ratio is 9:22 (ours is 6.6:22 in a three-man crew), more than one set of eyes is typically on the same matchup. But still, our culture is an obstinate one, isn't it?

The key difference is that on the vast majority of flags in football, the play continues. In basketball, the play stops on our whistle. Every time.

Much more conducive to picking up flags on penalties than it is to try and change a foul. In football players get to keep playing and the play stands if you decide to pick up. As opposed to what would become several inadvertent whistles in basketball. Nobody wants that.

Its a lot of what makes basketball the most difficult sport to officiate IMO. You call a foul, you live and die with it for the most part. We all miss some. You just try to get better, learn from your mistakes, and be as accurate as you can.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Granted our culture isn't going to change overnight, and in football, where the NFL officials to players ratio is 9:22

Where do they keep the other 2 officials?

Back to the OP, I have a foul. Not only is there contact on the leg, there appears to be contact on the hip.

[mutantducky]

We all make mistakes because and there is no way to get them all right. We all have plays when our partners may call something we think is incorrect but that goes by quick. But I don't have an issue with correcting a mistake. In my first couple of season I had fouls that I took back and said inadvertent whistle. Plays when I anticipated the foul but it turned out there wasn't one. I've seen refs do that at all levels (Especially the NBA actually) but they just report the foul. They get booed, they know they screwed up but hey that's ref culture, you make a mistake, you stick with it and report the foul. Sometimes there isn't anything wrong with admitting you messed up. I don't want to a lot of second guessing with your partners and it opens up a huge can of worms if you have someone going over and saying they saw something different, but I do think there can be times when it is appropriate to overturn a whistle.
On this video, I don't have an issue with the foul although I don't think there was. But let's just imagine a different play, similar to this one, but where that the center ref saw the offensive player stick out his leg and make the contact. The trail ref calls a foul on the D. This is an last second and very crucial play. It is understandable the trail official got fooled. I would be 100% supportive of the center ref to say, "hold up" and quickly go over and have a discussion. If the calling ref wants to stick with it then that is fine, but I'd much rather have a talk here and getting the right call.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Funny you should bring that up. I was at a camp last year where an NFL white hat was a guest speaker. Years ago he officiated basketball but today only does football. He said, rhetorically, "You know, in football we pick up flags all of the time. In basketball you'll sometimes come together on an out-of-bounds call, but why don't you ever come together on fouls?" I have to admit, football seems to be way ahead of us on the issue of information sharing.

Granted our culture isn't going to change overnight, and in football, where the NFL officials to players ratio is 9:22 (ours is 6.6:22 in a three-man crew), more than one set of eyes is typically on the same matchup. But still, our culture is an obstinate one, isn't it?

Terry McCauley???

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Terry McCauley???

Evidently you were at the same camp.

Great official. I was even more impressed with him as a person.

[Multiple Sports]

Nope.....just figured it out. Had an opportunity to referee with him his last year he did college hoops....

Excellent person off the field / court as well......

[Coach Bill]

From a coach's perspective, what the heck is that defender doing being anywhere near making contact with the shooter on that play??? So frustrating!!!