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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:16am
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Yes, are you saying that should've been a violation and we wipe it because you can't have an attempted shot at the wrong basket?
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:17am
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Yes, are you saying that should've been a violation and we wipe it because you can't have an attempted shot at the wrong basket?
A shot at the opponents basket is not a try. Ball is dead on the foul.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:21am
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I know its not a try, because there's no such thing as an attempted shot at the wrong basket, but you've opened up a little discussion here so. . .

Player A gets the ball and just does a routine lay-up at the opponent's basket, unbeknownst to him/her that's not their basket and it goes in - no foul, no anything.

You're wiping it and calling it a violation because you can't have a try at the wrong basket?
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:28am
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I know its not a try, because there's no such thing as an attempted shot at the wrong basket, but you've opened up a little discussion here so. . .

Player A gets the ball and just does a routine lay-up at the opponent's basket, unbeknownst to him/her that's not their basket and it goes in - no foul, no anything.

You're wiping it and calling it a violation because you can't have a try at the wrong basket?
That's not it. It doesn't have to be a try to score. But a foul does not cause the ball to become dead if a try is in flight. In your situation, the foul causes the ball to be dead immediately.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:42pm
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I know its not a try, because there's no such thing as an attempted shot at the wrong basket, but you've opened up a little discussion here so. . .

Player A gets the ball and just does a routine lay-up at the opponent's basket, unbeknownst to him/her that's not their basket and it goes in - no foul, no anything.

You're wiping it and calling it a violation because you can't have a try at the wrong basket?
No, we're saying that the ball becomes dead on a foul. The exception that allows an "and one" is when the shooting motion has been started. In this case, that doesn't apply, so all you have is a dead ball going through the basket.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:56pm
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Player A gets the ball and just does a routine lay-up at the opponent's basket, unbeknownst to him/her that's not their basket and it goes in - no foul, no anything.
I'm sure this has been discussed before but is the above scenario considered a double dribble? Assuming the routine layup is from the dribble and banked in.

Edit: and therefore the basket is not counted.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:09pm
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I'm sure this has been discussed before but is the above scenario considered a double dribble? Assuming the routine layup is from the dribble and banked in.

Edit: and therefore the basket is not counted.
Only if the "shot" is missed and A1 is the first to touch the ball.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:22am
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A shot at the opponents basket is not a try. Ball is dead on the foul.
Yep. Wipe the bucket, go to correct end and shoot bonus. Get both coaches together and explain what happened at the same time so you're not going to each separately.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:28am
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I know we scored it, so that's on us. . .

I know that in college, its a violation for a try at shooting at the wrong basket. . .

But, so even if there's no foul, the moment that a player goes for a try at the wrong basket, you just blow it dead?
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:21am
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I know we scored it, so that's on us. . .

I know that in college, its a violation for a try at shooting at the wrong basket. . .

But, so even if there's no foul, the moment that a player goes for a try at the wrong basket, you just blow it dead?
Still wrong. It is a violation to shoot at the wrong basket in the NBA.

Also, the impression that your first post gives is that you are a teenager because of the heavy usage of "like."
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:52am
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Still wrong. It is a violation to shoot at the wrong basket in the NBA.

Also, the impression that your first post gives is that you are a teenager because of the heavy usage of "like."
If it is true that Referee24.7 is indeed still a teenager that would mean that he would have had to join The Forum no older than 12 years, 1 month old.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:08am
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I don't think that he is, but his diction comes across that way. I've learned that speaking and writing in an immature manner doesn't create a positive impression in the professional world.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 12:22am
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But, so even if there's no foul, the moment that a player goes for a try at the wrong basket, you just blow it dead?
If a player "throws" the ball and it goes in the opponents basket the two points count. This could be from an errant/tipped pass or if they accidentally shoot at the wrong basket.

As already pointed out, even if said throw by Team A was from beyond the 3 point line it would only count as two. Even if it was tipped by a Team B player its just two points since this is still not a try.
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Old Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:19am
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Yes, are you saying that should've been a violation and we wipe it because you can't have an attempted shot at the wrong basket?
That's your mistake right there. You can't count the bucket.
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