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Old Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:57pm
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Alabama @ Arkansas 1/22/15 Throw-In Into Backcourt (Video)

ESPN2. 8.5s remaining first half, Alabama throw-in.

Backcourt violation? Discuss.
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:02am
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ESPN2. 8.5s remaining first half, Alabama throw-in.

Backcourt violation? Discuss.
I was expecting a close call. Absolutely no way this is a violation.
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:39pm
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I was expecting a close call. Absolutely no way this is a violation.
Probably impossible to judge in real time, especially for the T when the inbounds pass is coming all the way from the endline and you're backtracking to get a look. So good no call in that context.

However, I looked at it several times on my DVR in 1/6 speed, and I believe the ball comes to rest in the receivers hand (control) while one foot is in the frontcourt and the other is not touching. The other foot then touches in the backcourt. So I believe technically this should have been a backcourt violation.

If only college basketball had a challenge flag.

Last edited by crosscountry55; Fri Jan 23, 2015 at 02:26pm. Reason: I called the endline the baseline. Doh!
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:40pm
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:48pm
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Probably impossible to judge in real time, especially for the T when the inbounds pass is coming all the way from the endline and you're backtracking to get a look. So good no call in that context.

However, I looked at it several times on my DVR in 1/6 speed, and I believe the ball comes to rest in the receivers hand (control) while one foot is in the frontcourt and the other is not touching. The other foot then touches in the backcourt. So I believe technically this should have been a backcourt violation.

If only college basketball had a challenge flag.
Unless I am mistaken, which is very possible, on a throw in or if the defense interceps a pass, they are allowed to land normally and it makes no difference if the first foot was down in the front court or the back court.
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:53pm
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Not even close to a violation.
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:56pm
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It is not a violation that I can tell. I see the player in the backcourt touching the ball first.

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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:29pm
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Unless I am mistaken, which is very possible, on a throw in or if the defense interceps a pass, they are allowed to land normally and it makes no difference if the first foot was down in the front court or the back court.
True, if they catch the ball while they are in the air. But, if they catch the ball with one foot on the ground in the FC, and then put the second foot down in the BC, that's a violation. (and I don't have an opinion on which, if either, of these happened in the play)
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:38pm
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well if that is the case it looks like a violation to me. But very close and I don't fault the ref for not calling it as you can't really see by the video.

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On pausing the video, it is difficult to determine when there is control as it is a one-handed catch. It may be that there was one foot in the FC and another in the BC at the same time.

Ruling on the field stands...
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 06:00pm
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not a backcourt violation - it makes no difference where first foot landed

Reference: BillyMac's Misunderstood rules

The player is allowed to make a normal landing. So even if his first foot landed in the front court and the second foot landed in the back court, it would not have been a backcourt violation.
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Old Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:19pm
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Reference: BillyMac's Misunderstood rules

The player is allowed to make a normal landing. So even if his first foot landed in the front court and the second foot landed in the back court, it would not have been a backcourt violation.
Yes, but as bob jenkins points out, this applies to an airborne player making a landing. In the video, the player is not airborne when he gains control.

.....EDIT: Actually, maybe he was airborne. Took another look. Didn't notice that before.....END EDIT.

Still, even I have to admit I'd pass on this if I witnessed it in real time. Just too bang-bang for any level of certainty.

However, I wanted to stir discussion and in that, I have succeeded.

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Yes, but as bob jenkins points out, this applies to an airborne player making a landing. In the video, the player is not airborne when he gains control.

.....EDIT: Actually, maybe he was airborne. Took another look. Didn't notice that before.....END EDIT.

Still, even I have to admit I'd pass on this if I witnessed it in real time. Just too bang-bang for any level of certainty.

However, I wanted to stir discussion and in that, I have succeeded.
If in doubt, then there is no call to make.
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Old Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:42am
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if in doubt, then there is no call to make.
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If in doubt, then there is no call to make.
This. The other option..."I think..." has no place in officiating.
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Old Sat Jan 24, 2015, 10:42am
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If in doubt, then there is no call to make.
Absolutely agree. Like I said, in real time, I'm sure I've gotta whole lotta nothing here.
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