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Old Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:17pm
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Chaminade (MO) vs. Paul VI (VA) (HS Basketball) (Video)

Same event, same channel, Chaminade v Paul VI with 16.3 left in the 3rd.

Please post the clip of this goaltending call. Looked like a legal block under NFHS rules to me.
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:29am
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Is this player in the act of shooting to you?



Here's Nevada's play:

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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:33am
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Not in the act of shooting. Correct wave off by the official.
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:40am
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I have a blocked shot on the second video.

In other news, Tatum from Chaminade is a stud. #1 junior in the country.
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:53am
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It doesn't pass The eye test as I watch it, but when I see it in slow motion, I think I see both hands on the ball when the foul is called. I think I'm shooting two.
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:07am
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I am giving two points on the first one and shooting one FT.

On the GT play, it look like he took it to the backboard on the block. I do not have a GT on this play from the angle.

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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:22am
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It doesn't pass The eye test as I watch it, but when I see it in slow motion, I think I see both hands on the ball when the foul is called. I think I'm shooting two.
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I am shooting two on the first one.
Don't you guys mean one?
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:31am
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Don't you guys mean one?
I am sorry, yes I mean given them the points and shoot only one FT. I will correct the post.

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Is this player in the act of shooting to you?



Here's Nevada's play:


Continuous Motion Video: Fouled in the Act of Shooting. Score the FG and award one FT.


Goaltending Video: First, I really cannot tell of the Ball was blocked before the Ball touched the Backboard, but under NFHS Rules the video shows a Defender legally touching the Ball. Because: The NFHS and NCAA Goaltending rules are slightly different. NFHS Rules allow a Player to touch the Ball after the FGA has made contact with the Backboard as long as the Ball is not "in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight." NCAA Rules state that once the Ball, during a FGA, touches the Backboard a Player cannot touch the Ball.

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Excellent answer by MTD on the GT play. That is the point I wished to make with this video clip.
Small caveat: I believe that a defender can legally touch the ball on a try even after it has contacted the backboard under NCAA rules if the ball has yet to rise completely above the level of the ring or has no chance to enter the basket.

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I am giving two points on the first one and shooting one FT.

On the GT play, it look like he took it to the backboard on the block. I do not have a GT on this play from the angle.

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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:51am
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1) shooting foul in HS, common foul in NCAA-M, prior to upward motion
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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:51am
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Don't you guys mean one?
I suppose just one would do the trick...
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Small caveat: I believe that a defender can legally touch the ball on a try even after it has contacted the backboard under NCAA rules if the ball has yet to rise completely above the level of the ring or has no chance to enter the basket.

To be goaltending on a field goal try, NFHS or NCAAM, the ball has to have the possibility of entering the basket. if it has no chance to go in it won't be goaltending on a field goal try.

under ncaam, if ANY PART of the ball is above the rim when the ball hits the backboard during a FG attempt, the ball is considered to be on its downward flight. Goaltending if touched by a player after hits backboard as long as ball has possibility of going in…

1st video count basket in nfhs, not in NCAAM-- 2nd-- looks like good block...

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Old Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:14am
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shooting foul in first video.

clean block in second video.

Same official made both these calls.
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