Dead Ball Losing Focus

[Nevadaref]

I would penalize as a double-T as the acts occur at approximately the same time and involve only two opponents.

Still not sure what I think of the football officiating shirts.

[JRutledge]

When I called this in December, that is what our discussion was about. I clearly had a T on both players, but wanted to originally make it two separate fouls (not a double foul). I was talked into making it a double foul and the tournament director felt we did the right thing (he is also an official and an Association President).

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When I called this in December, that is what our discussion was about. I clearly had a T on both players, but wanted to originally make it two separate fouls (not a double foul). I was talked into making it a double foul and the tournament director felt we did the right thing (he is also an official and an Association President).

Peace

I agree with your original assessment of your play and the video, that this is a FDF, but when the rules were modified to define a fight as when one player commits an IF or FF (my interpretation) that causes his opponent to retaliate, the fouls can be defined as a fight and both fouls become Fighting Fouls by definition and they cancel each other out and we go to the AP Arrow.

Full disclosure requires me to admit that I am not the biggest supporter of the Fight Rule. I know an IPF, FPF, ITF, and FTF when I see one and know how to penalize them. But I do like the concept of canceling our certain opposing TFs.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

MTD,
If two opponents exchange verbal insults do you administer as a FDF or a DF?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

MTD,
If two opponents exchange verbal insults do you administer as a FDF or a DF?

DTF but not Fighting Fouls.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

MTD,
If two opponents exchange verbal insults do you administer as a FDF or a DF?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

DTF but not Fighting Fouls.

MTD, Sr.

For those who are wondering about Nevada's question and my answer.

Nevada and I know that verbal insults run the gamut from a two opponents exchanging non-FTFs for Unsportsmanlike Conduct to two opponents exchanging FTFs for Unsportsmanlike Conduct. This calls for the type of judgment for which we are paid the big "bucks".

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

DTF but not Fighting Fouls.

MTD, Sr.

Then why is tossing the ball back and forth any different?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then why is tossing the ball back and forth any different?

I don't understand your question. Please give me an example.

I agree that both players in the video committed TFs. The question is: Are these two separate fouls a FDF or do we have Fighting Fouls which would have them offset each other and both players being Disqualified. If one does not want the incident in the video to be a FDF then one has to rule the fouls as part of a Fighting Foul.

MTD, Sr.