Losing the ball on Alternate Possession

[Hartsy]

A lot of people seem to think that when a held ball goes to the team on defense, that it penalizes the offense. I contend that over the course of the game, that no team gains any advantage from alternate possession. After all, possession alternates one for one. Granted, if the game is tight and possession turns over with 5 seconds left, it looks like someone got the short end, but they had their chance the previous time. And even if the possessions are 7 to 8 (from the arrow), that seems to be little advantage to me.

Just something I had to get off my chest.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by Hartsy
A lot of people seem to think that when a held ball goes to the team on defense, that it penalizes the offense. I contend that over the course of the game, that no team gains any advantage from alternate possession. After all, possession alternates one for one. Granted, if the game is tight and possession turns over with 5 seconds left, it looks like someone got the short end, but they had their chance the previous time. And even if the possessions are 7 to 8 (from the arrow), that seems to be little advantage to me.

Just something I had to get off my chest.

Was it cathartic?

Z

[Smitty]

The worst that can happen is one team gets one more alternating possession than the other.

Wait, the worst thing is actually in a lower level girls game where one team gets 3265 alternating possessions and the other team gets only 3264.

[Back In The Saddle]

We could always go back to the jump ball. Then one team might possibly get all 6529 of them.

[blindzebra]

If a change was made I'd say give the ball to the defense on held balls CAUSED by the defense, like stopping release on a shot/pass, or a tie up with control.

On loose balls, double touches, and stuck ball go to the arrow.

Double fouls should go POI with team control, arrow without.

[stick]

I know an official who when a player tries to get a jump called he calls a holding foul EVERY TIME!! Whatcha think, a bit harsh or not?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by stick
I know an official who when a player tries to get a jump called he calls a holding foul EVERY TIME!! Whatcha think, a bit harsh or not?

If players are standing and the tie up comes from behind contact is EXTREMELY likely, and on tie ups from the side contact is likely to happen going for the ball as well.

In those cases unless it is obviously clean, I'm leaning toward the foul. In lower levels and girls games not calling a foul in these situations, for even minimal contact, encourages players to attempt to tie up everything instead of playing defense. Which leads to wrestling instead of basketball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by blindzebra
If a change was made I'd say give the ball to the defense on held balls CAUSED by the defense, like stopping release on a shot/pass, or a tie up with control.

On loose balls, double touches, and stuck ball go to the arrow.

They tried that in NCAA. Changed it back.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

They tried that in NCAA. Changed it back.

Wasn't it because the officials kept screwing it up?

It seems pretty simple to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Wasn't it because the officials kept screwing it up?

It seems pretty simple to me.

I don't think so.

It turned out that there were a lot of ambiguous situations with regard to the letter and the intent of the rule.

Defense, due to great defense, causes A1 to fumble the ball. B1 dives for it and grabs it with two hands. A split second later, A1 also grabs it. By that experiment, it would have been A's ball since B gained team control just prior to A grabbing the ball.

The reward often went to the team that didn't deserve it.

It because really critical do judge team control in a scrum for a loose ball...not easy to see or do.

[paxsonref]

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If players are standing and the tie up comes from behind contact is EXTREMELY likely, and on tie ups from the side contact is likely to happen going for the ball as well.

In those cases unless it is obviously clean, I'm leaning toward the foul. In lower levels and girls games not calling a foul in these situations, for even minimal contact, encourages players to attempt to tie up everything instead of playing defense. Which leads to wrestling instead of basketball. [/B][/QUOTE]


So trying to get a jump ball or take the ball away is bad defense?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Wasn't it because the officials kept screwing it up?

It seems pretty simple to me.

It was because the coaches didn't like it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The NBA/WNBA rules do it correctly: Jump ball for all held balls and jump ball situations.

MTD, Sr.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The NBA/WNBA rules do it correctly: Jump ball for all held balls and jump ball situations.

MTD, Sr.

I agree

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I agree

Dan:

Are you nuts? When people see that you agreed with me, they will question your sanity.

MTD, Sr.