TO request when you have no timeouts

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by APG

At least under current rules, advancing the ball wouldn't be an option cause an excessive TO results in a T and the ball to the non offending team.

Interesting -- I'd missed that change. So the NBA creates a turnover for an excessive TO, but not for an unsporting T.

[VaTerp]

Also, just to be clear. In the NBA they advance the ball to the 28 foot mark not half court.

[Rufus]

This is why I've never worried too much about the number of timeouts left for each team (other than perhaps knowing if they have any left so we know to call a T if they request timeout). Coach/player on the court requests it, we grant it. How they "pay" for it (either with an available TO or a T) is not what I'm thinking about at the time they request it.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rufus

This is why I've never worried too much about the number of timeouts left for each team (other than perhaps knowing if they have any left so we know to call a T if they request timeout). Coach/player on the court requests it, we grant it. How they "pay" for it (either with an available TO or a T) is not what I'm thinking about at the time they request it.

By rule we are to notify the HC when the team has used its final allowable timeout but otherwise I agree.

I work games with people that during timeouts or other deal ball situations say, "Team A has 2 fulls and a 30 and B has blah blah blah...."

I say thats nice but I only care when they have zero. It is helpful to know when both 30s have been used so you can automatically award a full but otherwise I only want to know when they are done.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

By rule we are to notify the HC when the team has used its final allowable timeout but otherwise I agree.

I work games with people that during timeouts or other deal ball situations say, "Team A has 2 fulls and a 30 and B has blah blah blah...."

I say thats nice but I only care when they have zero. It is helpful to know when both 30s have been used so you can automatically award a full but otherwise I only want to know when they are done.

I suspect that folks do that as a habit to make sure they are in fact aware when the team gets down to one.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I suspect that folks do that as a habit to make sure they are in fact aware when the team gets down to one.

Why do you need to be aware when a team gets down to one?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Why do you need to be aware when a team gets down to one?

Becase I had a brain freeze . . . reallly meant when a team got down to zero.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Why do you need to be aware when a team gets down to one?

So I'm not asking the coach which type of TO he wants.

[JRutledge]

I am granting the timeout. I am not ignoring any obvious request no matter what. It is not my responsibility to know how many timeouts anyone has. Even if I think I know, I could be wrong about that at the moment. And a coach or player might be taking that risk knowing they will at least get a timeout. We spend too much time trying to do their job for them. If they do not know how many timeouts they have, like other things as it might relate to fouls or knowing other bookkeeping items, that is on them.

Peace

[rbruno]

Had a HS varsity game where the table told me one team had a time out remaining and I informed the bench. Later in the period they call the time out, I report to the table and the official book who had just told me they had one left tells me they have none. Technical foul and I am the bad guy. Like stated above... I don't care how many they have until they have none forever more. Then I check the book and inform. They can figure out themselves how many they have... that's what all those people sittin on the bench are for.
The NBA playoff game mentioned above is the famous triple OT game Boston/Phoenix. Also in that game Paul Silas a Celtics player requested at TO that they didn't have and Richie Powers the referee is seen ignoring the request that could have cost the Celtics the game. He is quoted as saying "I didn't want someone to lose a game like that."

[constable]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I suspect that folks do that as a habit to make sure they are in fact aware when the team gets down to one.

I like knowing how many of each a team has left so I don't look like a fool when I ask the coach what they want. It looks much sharper when they request a timeout and you know they only have 30s left to signal that right away.

To whose who say they would ignore an excessive TO request- stop. You're doing the game a disservice. Unless you're working FIBA. Then we ignore excessive TO requests.

Originally Posted by constable

I like knowing how many of each a team has left so I don't look like a fool when I ask the coach what they want. It looks much sharper when they request a timeout and you know they only have 30s left to signal that right away.

I roll my eyes inside when a partner goes to a table and tries really hard to signal to me how many of each timeout a team has. I don't care. Just tell me when he is down to zero so I can inform the coach. Maybe tell me when a team has only 30's or only full's but I really have more important things to be thinking about.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

By rule we are to notify the HC when the team has used its final allowable timeout but otherwise I agree.

I work games with people that during timeouts or other deal ball situations say, "Team A has 2 fulls and a 30 and B has blah blah blah...."

I say thats nice but I only care when they have zero. It is helpful to know when both 30s have been used so you can automatically award a full but otherwise I only want to know when they are done.

I know how many of each teams have left. When they only have one kind left it saves a step.

[APG]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Interesting -- I'd missed that change. So the NBA creates a turnover for an excessive TO, but not for an unsporting T.

They don't want a team being able to benefit, even at the expense of giving up a potential point...for their lack of proper timeout management.

And VaTerp is also correct...a team advances the ball to the 28 foot mark...not halfcourt...a 19 foot difference!

[mutantducky]

so if you grant them a TO, is it a 30 or full?

I've never had this, I've just thought it would have been a semi-TO, by that I mean the coach calls his plays over while things are sorted out with the FT shooting.