The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 11:49am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 893
Shot, Foul, good bucket, ball

I have had this a couple of times over the 15 years. I prefer not to call it but, I did just the other day.

Shot goes up by A1 near 3 point line, I am lead. B2 shoves A2 hard to get rebounding position. I call the foul on the shove, basket goes. Ball back to Team A at the baseline.

If it weren't a hard foul on the base line, I would give a warning to keep their hands off. And I hate counting a basket and giving the ball back to A, but it what has to be done.

Am I wrong?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 11:52am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 546
A call or two on pushing during rebounding will clean things up pretty quick. A hard shove as you describe needs a call regardless of what happens with the shot.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,742
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul View Post
A call or two on pushing during rebounding will clean things up pretty quick. A hard shove as you describe needs a call regardless of what happens with the shot.
I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), but a good hard shove is easy to see and deserves a whistle. If it's more marginal, maybe wait to see if the shot goes in or it affects the rebound, but admittedly this can sometimes result in an exceptionally delayed whistle.

HokiePaul is right, good call selection here, especially early, is a useful tool for cleaning up garbage early.

Last edited by crosscountry55; Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:08pm.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:09pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,505
I have had this happen once or twice. What's more common, as in maybe once every other year, is 3 point shooter takes shot lands and defender runs through him. Count the basket then ball OOB.
__________________
in OS I trust
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:13pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 184
I called one like this yesterday on a teammate of the free thrower during the successful free throw. The player shoved an opponent while the try was in flight. She knew exactly what she had done. It was an easy call. Probably only the second or third non-PC common foul I've called this season during a try.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 734
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan View Post
And I hate counting a basket and giving the ball back to A, but it what has to be done.
This is why in the NBA they give one free throw to the fouled rebounder instead. But I doubt it happens enough that anyone is going to get motivated to change the NFHS rule.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:55pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,463
If it is obvious, call it. Why put yourself in the trick bag for not calling it and having a retaliation of some kind later just not to upset anyone?

Now I will call these but the contact has to be there and obvious, but I would rather call this now than have to deal with the consequences of no calls later.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 02:36pm
Back from the DL
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,540
Quote:
Originally Posted by crosscountry55 View Post
I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), ....
Beautifully timed thread.

Last Friday, JV boys, rivalry game. To my good fortune, the varsity game was covered by a friend, a highly respected veteran.

In my game, A-1 is shooting the second of two free throws, double bonus. I'm the L. After the release, I had a holding (vise-grip like) foul on B-2. This is one I knew I immediately had to get (and I can't remember the last time I called that on a free throw). Whistle, count the free throw, holding on B-2, A-3 is now shooting two, as cries of exasperation rain down from the A faithful.

After the game, in the locker room, my partner expresses confusion as to what I called there. I walk him through it. My veteran friend is listening in, says that's right, but cautions me to be very careful with those calls on shots already released.

Varsity game, my friend is the L. A-1 launches a three, and after the release, he has B-2 with a pushing (significant shoving) foul. Whistle, count the three, pushing B-2, A's ball on the end line. Meanwhile, I'm watching from the opposite end with "hey, wait a minute!" ringing in my head.

Of course, I ribbed him about it later. (The nerve of the JV official.) The point is, though, we were both selective about such rulings. While such fouls certainly didn't affect the play, sometimes, you have to clean things up. If you don't, the night may become longer. Mine was long enough, as evident by the double foul I had with five seconds left in a 20-point game.
__________________
Confidence is a vehicle, not a destination.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 02:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,505
Bainsey, I'm (and pretty much all partners I've worked with) more forgiving on the "potential" rebounding action than a shooter that lands and get's rail roaded.
__________________
in OS I trust
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:00pm
We don't rent pigs
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,627
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan View Post
I have had this a couple of times over the 15 years. I prefer not to call it but, I did just the other day.

Shot goes up by A1 near 3 point line, I am lead. B2 shoves A2 hard to get rebounding position. I call the foul on the shove, basket goes. Ball back to Team A at the baseline.

If it weren't a hard foul on the base line, I would give a warning to keep their hands off. And I hate counting a basket and giving the ball back to A, but it what has to be done.

Am I wrong?

Only thing I think might be wrong is hating it. I actually had one of these last night in a BV game. Two handed shove by the defense. No argument about the foul, but both coaches of the offending team were positive that the penalty was wrong, called a timeout to ask about it.

"There's no way they get the basket and get to keep the ball."

wow
__________________
I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum.
It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow.


Lonesome Dove
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:22pm
TODO: creative title here
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,250
Just imagine how perplexed those coaches would've been if Team A had been in the bonus when the foul occurred.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:24pm
AremRed
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by jTheUmp View Post
Just imagine how perplexed those coaches would've been if Team A had been in the bonus when the foul occurred.
I had that this season, albeit on a missed 3 pointer.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 10:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,505
So I jinxed myself. Had this today in the exact scenario I mentioned that it happens in most of the time.
__________________
in OS I trust
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 14, 2015, 10:44pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 253
Quote:
Originally Posted by crosscountry55 View Post
I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), but a good hard shove is easy to see and deserves a whistle. If it's more marginal, maybe wait to see if the shot goes in or it affects the rebound, but admittedly this can sometimes result in an exceptionally delayed whistle.

HokiePaul is right, good call selection here, especially early, is a useful tool for cleaning up garbage early.
Maybe I'm wrong for thinking like this, but both coaches are watching the shot. They usually have no idea how late my whistle is unless the foul creates major space between the two players. Marginal- I'm holding. Shot misses rebound even goes remotely in their direction I'm putting air in it. Two hand shove in the back- I'm getting it right then. To me those are the kind that start retaliation in motion.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:32am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 893
I agree Biggravy.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Foul Off Ball During Shot cmcramer Basketball 13 Thu Dec 30, 2010 04:57pm
Foul during shot (off ball) MatthewPV Basketball 20 Wed Nov 18, 2009 06:15pm
Simultaneous foul w/ bucket - what is POI? Mendy Trent Basketball 16 Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:41pm
Ball stops on rim during foul shot. hbioteach Basketball 1 Wed Dec 22, 2004 01:42pm
offensive foul - count the bucket ??? GA ref Basketball 18 Thu Jun 17, 2004 02:28am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:22am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1