Shot, Foul, good bucket, ball

[HokiePaul]

A call or two on pushing during rebounding will clean things up pretty quick. A hard shove as you describe needs a call regardless of what happens with the shot.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

A call or two on pushing during rebounding will clean things up pretty quick. A hard shove as you describe needs a call regardless of what happens with the shot.

I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), but a good hard shove is easy to see and deserves a whistle. If it's more marginal, maybe wait to see if the shot goes in or it affects the rebound, but admittedly this can sometimes result in an exceptionally delayed whistle.

HokiePaul is right, good call selection here, especially early, is a useful tool for cleaning up garbage early.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), ....

Beautifully timed thread.

Last Friday, JV boys, rivalry game. To my good fortune, the varsity game was covered by a friend, a highly respected veteran.

In my game, A-1 is shooting the second of two free throws, double bonus. I'm the L. After the release, I had a holding (vise-grip like) foul on B-2. This is one I knew I immediately had to get (and I can't remember the last time I called that on a free throw). Whistle, count the free throw, holding on B-2, A-3 is now shooting two, as cries of exasperation rain down from the A faithful.

After the game, in the locker room, my partner expresses confusion as to what I called there. I walk him through it. My veteran friend is listening in, says that's right, but cautions me to be very careful with those calls on shots already released.

Varsity game, my friend is the L. A-1 launches a three, and after the release, he has B-2 with a pushing (significant shoving) foul. Whistle, count the three, pushing B-2, A's ball on the end line. Meanwhile, I'm watching from the opposite end with "hey, wait a minute!" ringing in my head.

Of course, I ribbed him about it later. (The nerve of the JV official.) The point is, though, we were both selective about such rulings. While such fouls certainly didn't affect the play, sometimes, you have to clean things up. If you don't, the night may become longer. Mine was long enough, as evident by the double foul I had with five seconds left in a 20-point game.

[deecee]

Bainsey, I'm (and pretty much all partners I've worked with) more forgiving on the "potential" rebounding action than a shooter that lands and get's rail roaded.

[biggravy]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I agree. I know clinicians and evaluators aren't the biggest fan of this call in general (and especially on free throws), but a good hard shove is easy to see and deserves a whistle. If it's more marginal, maybe wait to see if the shot goes in or it affects the rebound, but admittedly this can sometimes result in an exceptionally delayed whistle.

HokiePaul is right, good call selection here, especially early, is a useful tool for cleaning up garbage early.

Maybe I'm wrong for thinking like this, but both coaches are watching the shot. They usually have no idea how late my whistle is unless the foul creates major space between the two players. Marginal- I'm holding. Shot misses rebound even goes remotely in their direction I'm putting air in it. Two hand shove in the back- I'm getting it right then. To me those are the kind that start retaliation in motion.

[Terrapins Fan]

I agree Biggravy.

[deecee]

I have had this happen once or twice. What's more common, as in maybe once every other year, is 3 point shooter takes shot lands and defender runs through him. Count the basket then ball OOB.

[La Rikardo]

I called one like this yesterday on a teammate of the free thrower during the successful free throw. The player shoved an opponent while the try was in flight. She knew exactly what she had done. It was an easy call. Probably only the second or third non-PC common foul I've called this season during a try.