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I find it contradictory that the NHFS and NCAA have repeatedly over the last several years issued POE and other directives, including the recently issued "automatic" fouls on ball handlers, to curb rough play, while at the same time officials go out of their way to come up with reasons to classify significant contact as legal. Again, I understand my opinion is in the minority. |
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"You had an easy lay-up" or "you're player should have made it" aren't acceptable. "I kicked it" or "I missed it" are not honest. "Didn't feel the contact put your team at a disadvantage" would be the best characterization of why the call was not made. (it's also within my personal standard of 10 words or fewer when giving an explanation)
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A-hole formerly known as BNR Last edited by Raymond; Thu Jan 15, 2015 at 02:25pm. |
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I'd rather stick to an explanation that is explicitly grounded in the concept of advantage/disadvantage. "Didn't feel the contact put your team at a disadvantage" can be used for the slap on the arm, or the pass & crash.
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A-hole formerly known as BNR Last edited by Raymond; Thu Jan 15, 2015 at 02:32pm. |
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Some coaches will cry when you call the foul, others will cry when you don't. I rarely have to give an explanation, though. The coach who complains about this call or no-call isn't going to be satiated by your explanation anyway.
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I had a great ![]() Could it have been a PC? yes. But I didn't think the level of contact created enough advantage for the offensive player to warrant a whistle. The coach could not accept that.
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Whether or not they will be satisfied, my explanation cannot in no way be turned against me. Telling a coach his team had an open lay-up is not where I want to go.
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I normally leave it at, "there was no advantage, coach." The conversation isn't going to last long enough to get beyond that.
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when you say something like your player got a open pass, it makes you sound bias, you should just stick to the rule book, in this case whether there was a disadvantage on the play due to the contact. |
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It seems to me that some of the difficulty in calling/no-calling such contact is inherent in the wording of the "Incidental Contact" statement:
4-27-3 . . . Similarly, contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental." The language used in this statement, implies that the "opponent" is the individual player who received the contact, and not the team, to which that individual opponent belongs. The extension of the perception of effect of that contact, to the teammates of that individual opponent seems not to be the intent of the statement. Thus, the contact initiated by A1 on opponent B1 seems to elicit a judgement of the effect of that contact, only on B1, with no regard to actions by B1 - such as a pass to B2. It is the disconnect of those two actions - the contact on B1 and the pass to B2, that tends to cause further scrutiny by other parties, such as the coaches of the two teams. Game management, game flow, game interrupters - in the form of calls that influence the overall play - are terms that may be used regarding such points of philosophy. It is very hard to teach newer, inexperienced officials, appropriate appliciation of such philosophy, when they are struggling to "just get the calls right." The over-reach of such philosophies, beyond the written content of the rules, can be judged from extremely varied, and disparate points of view.
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The "your player got an open pass" line doesn't work in the game. If a coach finds himself in a place where we're having a philosophical discussion, then I'll make that point. In a game? "There was no advantage, coach." At this point, the ball is in play anyway, so that's as far as we get. And I don't think you know what the word "bias" means.
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So We're Both In The Minority ...
I agree (while keeping in mind advantage, disadvantage, incidental, etc.). I especially agree with the second statement. We have a top varsity official who insists that there should never be an "and one" call. Never. Ever. According to him, if the ball went in then there wasn't enough contact to call a foul. Luckily, not to many of our top officials fully agree with his philosophy. If an official is calling dozens, and dozens, of "and ones" every week, that official may be calling the game a little too tight, but to use the statement "never", at least to me, is a little strong.
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On shots, I'm in the school of calling a foul if the contact that can be ruled as illegal makes the shot more difficult. If the shooter still makes the shot through the contact, they deserve the extra shot in my opinion. What we're talking about is more like a shooter who has landed and is trying to move for the rebound. If the shot goes in, there is no rebound and we often pass on calls at those times that will be a foul if there is a rebound to be played.
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