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#1 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by Matt S.

Johnny, I don't know who you are but I certainly hope you're being sarcastic. There is no place for an outcome like this in interscholastic athletics...and according to the article, this isn't the first time this coach has run up the score.

Johnny d is making a great point. The unsporting aspect of playing this game would be playing your starters regular minutes or pressing even with your backups. That didn't happen. The point is it shouldn't be unsporting to play the game of basketball (offense and defense) no matter the time or score. Holding or passing around the ball until the game is over is not basketball. Don't want to lose by 159? Don't schedule the game in the first place or don't play the game.

Rich · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed

Johnny d is making a great point. The unsporting aspect of playing this game would be playing your starters regular minutes or pressing even with your backups. That didn't happen. The point is it shouldn't be unsporting to play the game of basketball (offense and defense) no matter the time or score. Holding or passing around the ball until the game is over is not basketball. Don't want to lose by 159? Don't schedule the game in the first place or don't play the game.

Perception is reality.

Perception of this coach, by many, and perhaps by many that matter, will not be positive.

Likewise, the perception of people who *defend* that coach will likely be similar amongst the same people.

SCalScoreKeeper · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2015, 02:16am

Update-coach of the winning team was suspended for 2 games and will return Monday night.

mutantducky · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:57pm

If you were doing this game. Would you tell the opposing coach not to press? They could do what they want in the first quarter but after?
Could you possibly call Technical if the team kept it up in the second half?

I know the losing coach is complaining as he should, but another side of me is going, "Come on. Do you and your players know anything about basketball?"
I'd consider just walking off the court and calling the game. I'd want no part of it. I know California rules say to run the clock in the 4th with the (40 point lead I believe) but I'd just have it running after the first quarter if it was clear what was going on.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/story...ames-161-2-win

MechanicGuy · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:05pm

It's not our job to coach the team. If he wants to be an ass, that's on him.

I'd call every possible foul on the pressing team and hope he gets the message. Beyond that, I'm just going to do my job.

Why would you ever make up rules? Or invent authority that you wouldn't otherwise have?

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:10pm

The losing team here obviously cannot play through the same level of contact as the winning team: I'd call the game accordingly.

APG · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by mutantducky

If you were doing this game. Would you tell the opposing coach not to press? They could do what they want in the first quarter but after?
Could you possibly call Technical if the team kept it up in the second half?

I know the losing coach is complaining as he should, but another side of me is going, "Come on. Do you and your players know anything about basketball?"
I'd consider just walking off the court and calling the game. I'd want no part of it. I know California rules say to run the clock in the 4th with the (40 point lead I believe) but I'd just have it running after the first quarter if it was clear what was going on.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/story...ames-161-2-win

No I wouldn't tell the coach not to press. It's not my job to tell the coach how to coach his team...just like you wouldn't want the coach to tell you how to call a game.

I also wouldn't walk off the court or call the game. Walking off the court here is pretty unprofessional IMO. You signed up and agreed to work a game...whether it be 161-2 or a barn burner of a game. Work the game, manage it as appropriate, and if you feel compelled to do so, afterward, write a report to the appropriate authorities and let them deal with it. You also have no authority whatsoever to call the game.

deecee · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:29pm

Why the heck do officials care? All we have to do is adjudicate the game. This is not our problem.

Adam · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

Why the heck do officials care? All we have to do is adjudicate the game. This is not our problem.

We care because we're human beings with an understanding of fairness and doing "what's right." The details may differ between us, which is why we don't get to inser those feelings into the game.

APG · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:16am

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Originally Posted by deecee

Why the heck do officials care? All we have to do is adjudicate the game. This is not our problem.

It depends in what capacity or viewpoint one is in when discussing this...as an official...in the game...the only thing I'll care about is managing the game appropriately. I don't care if the coach is pressing, has his starters in, etc.

But as just an outside observer, removed from being an official, the lopsided nature of this game brings topics that are easy to discuss...both for the winning team and losing time.

deecee · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:51am

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Originally Posted by APG

It depends in what capacity or viewpoint one is in when discussing this...as an official...in the game...the only thing I'll care about is managing the game appropriately. I don't care if the coach is pressing, has his starters in, etc.

But as just an outside observer, removed from being an official, the lopsided nature of this game brings topics that are easy to discuss...both for the winning team and losing time.

My statement was in the capacity as a game official. Why do any of us care enough to feel we can interject our personal morals and standards.

LRZ · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:55am

I did not realize that several states use a shot clock.

crosscountry55 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d

I don't see a problem with this, especially if the winning coach was playing his bench players. Why should those players who rarely ever see the court be told not to try to score or play defense in a game where they are getting a lot of playing time. The losing coach should stop whining like a baby and coach his team to play better. Now if the winning coach has his starters in and is full court pressing for the entire game, someone might want to have a talk with him.

Normally I'd agree with you, but as was pointed out later in the thread, the math doesn't add up here, especially with the mercy rule in the 4th. It's one thing to let your bench players work on offense. It's another to have them needlessly press the whole game, and surely there must have been some of that going on.

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Originally Posted by LRZ

I did not realize that several states use a shot clock.

"Only eight states (California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Washington) allow unlimited use of a 30- or 35-second shot clock, and that breach of NFHS rules denies them a position on the Basketball Rules Committee."

http://www.athleticbusiness.com/high...asketball.html

See also: http://www.maxpreps.com/news/pewg4Mb...re-scoring.htm