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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:51am
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I don't see a problem with this, especially if the winning coach was playing his bench players. Why should those players who rarely ever see the court be told not to try to score or play defense in a game where they are getting a lot of playing time. The losing coach should stop whining like a baby and coach his team to play better. Now if the winning coach has his starters in and is full court pressing for the entire game, someone might want to have a talk with him.
The score was 161-2. let me REPEAT that 161-2. there is no reason EVER to win a game by 159 points…they should have stopped at 100..:roll eyes:

when one team is that bad it is not competition. none of the players on the winning team are going to get better at basketball or learn anything about Xs and 0s from that mess. including bench players. so take the time to teach a life lesson--lesson being that it isn't necessary to utterly destroy someone else just because you can…

i understand your point--but it was 161-2...
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Perhaps the winning coach had his players continue to score to avoid the possibility of OT!

Good for him.
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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:14am
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Not saying this is the case.

If the coach played his bench kids (when it was clear to see the game was out of reach - which was probably well before half time), if they stopped pressing, and theycan still win by 100 or 150 or whatever. I don't think the coach of the winning team can be faulted.

I don't see a team playing keep away (with or without a shot clock) or not letting your bench kids run the floor to score, take layups or defend properly fair or equitable either. THey are bad so, so you have to be bad isn't right. You can work on your quarter court zone or whatever. If you bench kids get a chance to play and score its on the other coach to have 5 kids better then your worst 5.

At the point where everyone possible is in the game, you've backed your defense up to quarter court and given them the opportunity to execute 5 on 5: thats it they've met their obligation to sportsmanship. Holding the ball or letting the other team shoot should be more embarassing to kids on the floor then being beaten or scored on. . . . I would think.

In the case in the OP it sounds like the game was well on its way to out of hand well before half time so the starters IMO should have been out way before then. No mention of whether pressing happened to what extent but to get that many possessions even against a bad team you can assume they pressed most of the game. So I'm not defending the coach just talking about the situation as a generality.
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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:23am
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http://www.dailybulletin.com/sports/...-to-be-learned

Link above brings a little more clarity and probably a lot less sympathy for the winning coach.

Highlights:

- was up 104-1 at half time before the starters were pulled.
- Pressed and trapped full court or half court all game.
- Running clock after the first quarter.
- Bench players held the ball on offense for 23 of 30 second shot clock before shootingin the 2nd half.
- Of 15 exhibition games scheduled record is 14-1 with wins that include 98, 80 and 3 in the 70' as well.
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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:10am
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The score was 161-2. let me REPEAT that 161-2. there is no reason EVER to win a game by 159 points…they should have stopped at 100..:roll eyes:

when one team is that bad it is not competition. none of the players on the winning team are going to get better at basketball or learn anything about Xs and 0s from that mess. including bench players. so take the time to teach a life lesson--lesson being that it isn't necessary to utterly destroy someone else just because you can…

i understand your point--but it was 161-2...
How's this for a life lesson, if you are so bad at basketball that you are going to get beat 161-2, then maybe you should find something else to do with your time because you cannot play basketball. Or would you rather have them grow up thinking they can be anything they want including a professional basketball player, instead of realizing not everyone has the ability to be a rocket scientist.
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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:15pm
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How's this for a life lesson, if you are so bad at basketball that you are going to get beat 161-2, then maybe you should find something else to do with your time because you cannot play basketball. Or would you rather have them grow up thinking they can be anything they want including a professional basketball player, instead of realizing not everyone has the ability to be a rocket scientist.
Well Johnny,

I have to say I was only thinking about the lesson to the winning team--im not a rocket scientist…there are definitely some lessons to be learned for the losing side as well. i'm ok with them growing up thinking they can be anything, including a professional basketball player…in fact, id want them to dream... even if they are losing 161-2. i would, however, be sure to emphasize the need for a "fallback option"…just in case the NBA didn't work out…

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One more reason to never work girls basketball.

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Old Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:36pm
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One more reason to never work girls basketball.

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Unfortunately, we don't have that option in some states (e.g. South Carolina).
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Unfortunately, we don't have that option in some states (e.g. South Carolina).
Did I mention I love my state's HS sports association?

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How's this for a life lesson, if you are so bad at basketball that you are going to get beat 161-2, then maybe you should find something else to do with your time because you cannot play basketball. Or would you rather have them grow up thinking they can be anything they want including a professional basketball player, instead of realizing not everyone has the ability to be a rocket scientist.
More importantly, they should never have scheduled this game.
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Old Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:06am
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More importantly, they should never have scheduled this game.
If it's a conference game (this time of year it likely was), they had no choice.
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Old Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:49am
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Not all of our CIF-SS leagues start before Christmas (ours and a few of the larger ones do) and this was a non-league conference.A fact that newspaper writers here won't mention because AremRed stated the point that I put in a newspaper response-this game never should have been scheduled?
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I understand the concept of not running the score up on a team. I had the good fortune to play basketball for a H.S. that was the team to beat for the 21 years that my head coach was in charge. There were many years he had teams that he could have easily scored 100+ points in a game a couple of times a year. I played on his 17th, 18th, and 19th teams and I played on the first of his teams that finally scored 100 points in a game. We were up 56 to 20 at half time. My coach played his 2nd and 3rd stringers all of the 2nd half and did not press, and yet the 2nd and 3rd stringers hung 60 points on our opponent in the 2nd half. You can't tell the subs not to play hard. You just have to teach them to be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.

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Old Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:56am
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How's this for a life lesson, if you are so bad at basketball that you are going to get beat 161-2, then maybe you should find something else to do with your time because you cannot play basketball. Or would you rather have them grow up thinking they can be anything they want including a professional basketball player, instead of realizing not everyone has the ability to be a rocket scientist.
HS basketball is not a pro basketball development league.

And the winning coach should get suspended for being extremely tone deaf.

Wouldn't happen here -- with a running clock, I would be as pokey as possible on every dead ball.
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Old Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:29pm
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HS basketball is not a pro basketball development league.

And the winning coach should get suspended for being extremely tone deaf.

Wouldn't happen here -- with a running clock, I would be as pokey as possible on every dead ball.
There's no life lesson here for anyone - unless you are a total a$$hole out to prove that some school shouldn't have a basketball team because they are bad.

And the running clock part is what I really don't understand. The article says that the running clock kicked in after the first quarter...no possible way a team should be scoring that many points with 3/4 of the game being running clock. Like Rich says, I am finding ways to be really slow at everything we do.
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