New thread: Karl Hess out of ACC

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not a PC world, that is a good world where you should not be able to say those things and it be OK.

Peace

This is exactly what a PC world entails. Yes, there are many things that can be said that are offensive....so what? Other than having their feelings hurt, how exactly is a person injured by having offensive things said to them? A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is exactly what a PC world entails. Yes, there are many things that can be said that are offensive....so what? Other than having their feelings hurt, how exactly is a person injured by having offensive things said to them? A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

Like it or not, officiating is a customer service job, and while I can certainly say anything I want to say while working my job, my employer is not required to keep me employed. That concept applies to independent contractors as well.

When someone suggest Hess go to jail, we can discuss Orwelle, IMO.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is exactly what a PC world entails. Yes, there are many things that can be said that are offensive....so what? Other than having their feelings hurt, how exactly is a person injured by having offensive things said to them? A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

I'll just say, living where I live, the word "PC" often comes from people who want an excuse to be bigoted or hateful and not be called out on it.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll just say, living where I live, the word "PC" often comes from people who want an excuse to be bigoted or hateful and not be called out on it.

Not at all what I am advocating. I think people should be called out whenever they say things that are bigoted, hateful, or offensive. I just don't understand why there is so much extra outrage because the slur was racial/ethnic than there would have been if he just called him a dumbass. I don't get the degrees of offensiveness. Either statement would be unprofessional and his behavior should be dealt with. To me, being fired for what he said is too severe of a punishment.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll just say, living where I live, the word "PC" often comes from people who want an excuse to be bigoted or hateful and not be called out on it.

Pretty much. That place you live must be the same here. Because usually people do not get all upset about the "PC World" unless they are OK with saying things that were once accepted but found out to be offensive to certain groups.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Pretty much. That place you live must be the same here. Because usually people do not get all upset about the "PC World" unless they are OK with saying things that were once accepted but found out to be offensive to certain groups.

Peace

Hess' words are indefensible, even to most people who may have grown weary of constantly adjusting language to accommodate "pc" requirements. My experience with those people is different than yours, but Hess was out of line. If he'd have said "your dumb ass" instead, it would be debatable. What he actually said, however, really isn't debatable.

[JRutledge]

Well apparently it matters if he made a ethnic or racial slur to some. So I guess to the right person it is defensible.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well apparently it matters if he made a ethnic or racial slur to some. So I guess to the right person it is defensible.

Peace

You already know this, but some opinions matter more than others.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

You already know this, but some opinions matter more than others.

Based on the reaction of some, we should not talk about this anymore. I do not want to offend anyone.

Peace

[chymechowder]

Originally Posted by Adam

You already know this, but some opinions matter more than others.

shades of "Some animals are more equal than others."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is exactly what a PC world entails. Yes, there are many things that can be said that are offensive....so what? Other than having their feelings hurt, how exactly is a person injured by having offensive things said to them? A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

It is not about being PC. You should not say things like that to anyone in professional situations. It makes it feel like you have other motives or intentions by saying those things. And it could also lead to lawsuits or defending other practices when you state these kinds of things.

And no one said you are not allowed, but no one has to put up with your conduct that will come back to them. If an assignor has a person that says something like this, that assignor will have to answer to what kind of people he/she is hiring. If the conference is hiring someone that is associated with an educational setting and would not allow that in their world, then those institutions would have to answer for why they allow someone to work in their institution based on their normal policies.

This is how life works.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is exactly what a PC world entails. .... A world where people are not allowed to say offensive things, sounds rather Orwellian to me.

As Adam stated, "Orwellian" would mean the government would punish you for what you say, and that would be unacceptable (threats, "fire" in a crowded theater notwithstanding). The ACC is a private organization that sets its boundaries, and they're not too far off from the rest of American corporate society.

Let's review. Hess directed a nationality at someone, followed it with the word "ass," and the nationality was just plain wrong. So, I guess it was politically incorrect, albeit literally. Either way, such language is a deal-breaker just about anywhere.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I am very sarcastic, and I have a quick, biting wit. Unfortunately, that may work well at parties or shut up loudmouths at sports bars, but it's not what will keep me employed as an official (not great for marriages either).

I don't know. My wife of 23 years and I prefer to look at it as a survival technique.

All kidding aside, you have to know your audience. Most of the time, I won't interact with fans, but there are exceptions, if you have a good feel for the crowd. If Joey Crawford can buy fans beer, you know you're not always in a lion's den.

[letemplay]

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

Nope. Have I heard it happen? Yes. But it shouldn't.

There are lots of ways to communicate with players; it's not as though profanity is the only language they know. A healthy, "knock it off!" or "I have heard enough." works well. So does a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Is it ok for a high school ref to address high school players with profanity? Such as: "Stop your bitching" or "Shut your g__d___ mouth" ...and more of this nature

I suppose it could be regional, and acceptable in some remote corners of the globe, but not here. Never.

Well, maybe "stop your bitching."