New thread: Karl Hess out of ACC

[JRutledge]

It must be that he admitted to such comments or similar comments. And either way, you cannot say those things and get away with that to most people or in an educational setting.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It must be that he admitted to such comments or similar comments. And either way, you cannot say those things and get away with that to most people or in an educational setting.

Peace

Yes, he admitted to the statement.

[Referee24.7]

Again, this profession/avocation/career (for many) that we all do has now become so microscopic that its never remembered for the 99 things we did right (on & off the court), its the one thing that we don't do right that hangs over our heads. . .

That being said, in the case of Hess, its just where 1) he has a past history of acrimonious actions, or things that are frowned upon, 2) he has never been apologetic about any of them, and 3) when you're on tape and its validated of your actions, there's nothing where you can be defended. . .

More than that, the instance where this particular individual just happened to be a person in a position of leverage and weight with the ACC, that just served as the proverbial nail in the coffin.

Think about it for a moment - to give an example (and I actually looked this up), when Valentine had his "episode" with Mick Cronin of Cincinnati, since that game, Valentine has not had Cincy again anywhere - now, in the very small world of officiating, and especially one of his stature, does anyone think that's sheer coincidence?

I mean, we had an owner of a professional franchise stripped of his ownership by a league (the NBA) and the legal system due to saying racial comments and it being exposed through the wonders of telecommunications. . .

The only salvaging thing that Hess did was to remove himself from the other games so as to not bring attention to the people in stripes, and it serving as a distraction to any game. . .

[maroonx]

Valentine did not use a racial slur when emotions were high Thats the key.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Valentine did not use a racial slur when emotions were high Thats the key.

And that is why the whole situation and our PC culture is ridiculous. It is ok to insult somebody by calling them a dumb mother ****er, but it isn't ok to call the same person a dumb insert racial/ethnic/religious slur here mother ****er. Give me a freaking break, both are insults, saying either to a fan should be considered unprofessional, and neither should result in Hess being fired.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

And that is why the whole situation and our PC culture is ridiculous. It is ok to insult somebody by calling them a dumb mother ****er, but it isn't ok to call the same person a dumb insert racial/ethnic/religious slur here mother ****er. Give me a freaking break, both are insults, saying either to a fan should be considered unprofessional, and neither should result in Hess being fired.

Both would get me fired from my lower division conferences, why shouldn't it get a Big Dawg fired from a Big Boy conference?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Both would get me fired from my lower division conferences, why shouldn't it get a Big Dawg fired from a Big Boy conference?

I think a suspension is merited, not firing, unless it has happened before and he has already been disciplined for it before. I am pretty sure Hess just didn't single the guy out and say what he said for no reason. The guy was probably acting like an ******* the entire game. Was it professional behavior on Hess's part, of course not, but if the criteria is that we have to be completely professional 100% of the time, than there wouldn't be anybody left to officiate the games. Which brings me to another point, what kind of douche bag insults another person all game long and then cries on social media when the person responds?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Both would get me fired from my lower division conferences, why shouldn't it get a Big Dawg fired from a Big Boy conference?

This.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by johnny d

And that is why the whole situation and our PC culture is ridiculous. It is ok to insult somebody by calling them a dumb mother ****er, but it isn't ok to call the same person a dumb insert racial/ethnic/religious slur here mother ****er. Give me a freaking break, both are insults, saying either to a fan should be considered unprofessional, and neither should result in Hess being fired.

I'd get fired in a heartbeat if I ever called a coach or fan either of those things.
And any coach that called me either of those things in a game would find that his/her presence was no longer required that day.

[JRutledge]

If I said that at the lower level college or HS level, I would be fired and likely suspended for my license. That is not a PC world, that is a good world where you should not be able to say those things and it be OK. If I did so at my job I would deal with the right people hearing or knowing, I would be suspended and probably would lose some other licenses or deal with a real complaint if I said such a thing or made such a reference.

Peace