team technical

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The problem with this is that you are fabricating a procedure and holding a coach/team responsible for a requirement that does not exist.

Agreed.
If the coach provided the proper roster and the scorer didn't transcribe it all, having a coach's initials in the scorebook means nothing.

Hell, at that point, I've reviewed the book that's missing numbers. That's going to be even harder to explain to my assigner than anything else here.

"Did you check the book before the game?"
"Yes."
"When?"
"12 minutes."
"Why didn't you tell the coach?"

crickets

[SCalScoreKeeper]

OK from a scorekeeper's perspective-

In A-wow what was this scorer doing during warm up? That's scoring 101 and obviously this person failed.How do you allow a team to just put the starters numbers in there?

First thing I do in any sub-varsity game where I might not get the book till the start of the warm-up clock is get the visitor's uniform numbers.I'll usually ask the visiting coach (my lower level coaches already have their sides filled out) to fill out his/her own side of the book in numerical order and mark their starters.If they have a scorer traveling with them (a rarity here) I'll ask them to do that.

At the varsity level I have sheets with me containing the league's rosters.At half of the JV boys game I'll walk over to the visiting varsity girls coach with their sheet "Coach please verify the numbers on this list are accurate and make any corrections as needed-thank you."Same thing at half of varsity girls with the boys coach.

In B-correct me if I'm wrong but this is penalized when discovered right? If so this should've been a technical foul to team B.I had this happen in a JV game shortly before Christmas.Kid from the home team had one jersey number on the sheet given to the table,entered the game and promptly hit a 3,timeout was called by visiting coach-we bring the officials over and explain the situation.Tech was issued.

[Adam]

B is penalized when the change is made. If the book had made the change in the first half and told you about it in the second half, it's too late. If they let it ride and are only now making the change when they bring it up, then you call it because they're making the change. Even if he hadn't played since the first half, IMO, they have to make this change.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Even if he hadn't played since the first half, IMO, they have to make this change.

I don't believe that they have to. It's up to the coach if he wants a change made in the book, and it's an automatic change if the player enters the game in the second half.

*3.2.2 SITUATION C: Team A substitute No. 25 reports to the table for the first time with approximately one minute remaining in the second quarter and is beckoned onto the court. In (a), the ball is put in play by a throw-in from A1 to A2. The horn sounds and the scorer informs the officials that No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook. In (b), No. 25 plays the remainder of the second quarter. During halftime intermission, the official scorer realizes No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook and informs the officials when they return to the court before the start of the third quarter. RULING: In (a), No. 25 is currently in the game and became a player when he/she legally entered the court. Since his or her name and number must now be entered into the scorebook, a technical foul is charged to Team A. In (b), no penalty is assessed since No. 25 is not currently in the game. If No. 25 attempts to enter the game in the second half, his or her name and number will be added to the scorebook and a technical foul charged to Team A. (3-2-2b; 10- 1-2b)

[Adam]

IMO, if 25 had played and scored, there's no question he needs to be added. I'm with Nevada, in that I think this ruling is absurd. I'm not with Nevada, however, in that if 25 hasn't scored or fouled anyone, I'll follow the case listed.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

IMO, if 25 had played and scored, there's no question he needs to be added. I'm with Nevada, in that I think this ruling is absurd. I'm not with Nevada, however, in that if 25 hasn't scored or fouled anyone, I'll follow the case listed.

If 25 had played and scored, it would have not been at halftime when the missing name/number was discovered. It would have been noticed when the scorer attempted to record the points in the book for the score.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If 25 had played and scored, it would have not been at halftime when the missing name/number was discovered. It would have been noticed when the score attempted to record the points in the book for the score.

Fair enough, but I would have thought the same thing about when he entered. Obviously the scorer isn't doing his job, so I'm not willing to discount any possibility.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If 25 had played and scored, it would have not been at halftime when the missing name/number was discovered. It would have been noticed when the score attempted to record the points in the book for the score.

Why isn't the scorer following the RULE and checking the little box to indicate that #25 played in the 2nd quarter? The scoring of points or committing of a foul is not important BY RULE, participating in the contest is.