Vilanova Syracuse block/charge 1:50 left in overtime (Video)

[just another ref]

Announcer: "He wasn't completely set."

[jeschmit]

The second angle was cut off before I could get it...

Block, defender is moving forward at contact.

[Nevadaref]

Charge, but not PC as the ball is released on the try prior to the crash. This is the NCAA Men's rule.

Count the basket and then go to the other end and shoot the bonus FTs, if necessary.

[Camron Rust]

Looks like a charge to me.

[MD Longhorn]

arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

[just another ref]

I didn't like the call live when I saw it. And the tv replay showed the angle from behind the defender which made it look even worse, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

I think you might be right.

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I think you might be right.

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.

This is what I saw as well.

[MD Longhorn]

Hmmm... wish the video went 3 seconds longer. I confess I was looking mostly at body. Not positive the feet are moving forward, but I do see them moving like a rookie QB about to get sacked.

[Camron Rust]

Looks to me like the defender is shuffling his feet forward all the way to contact. Block it is.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Charge, but not PC as the ball is released on the try prior to the crash. This is the NCAA Men's rule.

Count the basket and then go to the other end and shoot the bonus FTs, if necessary.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I think you might be right.

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.

The movement of the defender's feet are of no consequence in this play. Using FIBA's Cylinder of Verticality, the defender establishes his LGP and his CofV stays over the spot of where he initially established his LGP. His feet are moving within his CofV but his body (including his feet) as a whole did not move toward the offensive player. Charge as described by NevadaRef.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

I wonder if this is one of those cases where the official calls a block because he didn't think the defender stood there and took it.

This should be a charge.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The movement of the defender's feet are of no consequence in this play. Using FIBA's Cylinder of Verticality, the defender establishes his LGP and his CofV stays over the spot of where he initially established his LGP. His feet are moving within his CofV but his body (including his feet) as a whole did not move toward the offensive player. Charge as described by NevadaRef.

I'm sorry Mark I didn't know you worked under FIBA rules. Additionally I can't see how you can say this for sure from the only angle we have. It may very well be a charge from a different angle but from this angle and based on the feet creeping forward I feel safe assuming the body usually follows what the feet do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I'm sorry Mark I didn't know you worked under FIBA rules. Additionally I can't see how you can say this for sure from the only angle we have. It may very well be a charge from a different angle but from this angle and based on the feet creeping forward I feel safe assuming the body usually follows what the feet do.

I watched his torso the first time, and it sure looks like he's falling backwards even as his feet creep forward.