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just another ref Sat Dec 20, 2014 03:40pm

Vilanova Syracuse block/charge 1:50 left in overtime (Video)
 
Announcer: "He wasn't completely set."

jeschmit Mon Dec 22, 2014 09:36pm

The second angle was cut off before I could get it...

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AremRed Mon Dec 22, 2014 09:42pm

Block, defender is moving forward at contact.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 23, 2014 05:40am

Charge, but not PC as the ball is released on the try prior to the crash. This is the NCAA Men's rule.

Count the basket and then go to the other end and shoot the bonus FTs, if necessary.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 23, 2014 01:54pm

Looks like a charge to me.

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 23, 2014 02:30pm

arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

just another ref Tue Dec 23, 2014 03:09pm

I didn't like the call live when I saw it. And the tv replay showed the angle from behind the defender which made it look even worse, in my opinion.

AremRed Tue Dec 23, 2014 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 947689)
arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

I think you might be right. :o

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.

MathReferee Tue Dec 23, 2014 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 947697)
I think you might be right. :o

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.

This is what I saw as well.

MD Longhorn Tue Dec 23, 2014 04:39pm

Hmmm... wish the video went 3 seconds longer. I confess I was looking mostly at body. Not positive the feet are moving forward, but I do see them moving like a rookie QB about to get sacked.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 26, 2014 02:43am

Looks to me like the defender is shuffling his feet forward all the way to contact. Block it is.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 947655)
Charge, but not PC as the ball is released on the try prior to the crash. This is the NCAA Men's rule.

Count the basket and then go to the other end and shoot the bonus FTs, if necessary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 947689)
arem seems to be having a bad day today. No part of that defender is moving forward when and after he's established LGP. None. Even in slow motion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 947697)
I think you might be right. :o

Watch the defender's feet -- I think he keeps moving forward while the offensive player is airbourne.


The movement of the defender's feet are of no consequence in this play. Using FIBA's Cylinder of Verticality, the defender establishes his LGP and his CofV stays over the spot of where he initially established his LGP. His feet are moving within his CofV but his body (including his feet) as a whole did not move toward the offensive player. Charge as described by NevadaRef.

MTD, Sr.

Adam Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:35am

I wonder if this is one of those cases where the official calls a block because he didn't think the defender stood there and took it.

This should be a charge.

AremRed Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 947854)
The movement of the defender's feet are of no consequence in this play. Using FIBA's Cylinder of Verticality, the defender establishes his LGP and his CofV stays over the spot of where he initially established his LGP. His feet are moving within his CofV but his body (including his feet) as a whole did not move toward the offensive player. Charge as described by NevadaRef.

I'm sorry Mark I didn't know you worked under FIBA rules. Additionally I can't see how you can say this for sure from the only angle we have. It may very well be a charge from a different angle but from this angle and based on the feet creeping forward I feel safe assuming the body usually follows what the feet do.

Adam Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 947862)
I'm sorry Mark I didn't know you worked under FIBA rules. Additionally I can't see how you can say this for sure from the only angle we have. It may very well be a charge from a different angle but from this angle and based on the feet creeping forward I feel safe assuming the body usually follows what the feet do.

I watched his torso the first time, and it sure looks like he's falling backwards even as his feet creep forward.


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